Dude, I’ve already said that you would still take a T somewhere in the first 2 rounds even with Okung.

Literally nobody is saying that you take Okung and don’t draft a T early. I’m saying it doesn’t have to be at 31 or a trade up in the 1st. You can take a guy like Little, Radunz, Hudson, or Smith at 63 or through trading up too.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">That puts to bed any Tunsil trade talk. The <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> veteran options at LT are basically Russell Okung, Alejandro Vilanueva &amp; Orlando Brown. <a href="https://t.co/wRWcNbPuyH">https://t.co/wRWcNbPuyH</a></p>&mdash; Brandon Kiley (@BKSportsTalk) <a href="https://twitter.com/BKSportsTalk/status/1373400845052567552?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 20, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Teams almost always draft BPA at a position of need in either the current or next season. It's rare it's otherwise.

Sure, it frees you up to take a less polished guy but he still needs to be able to play by mid-year which doesn't exactly free you up to take a long-shot on a guy like Hudson in the 4th. You're more than likely taking a guy like Radunz or Little in the 2nd as a best-case scenario for freeing up your draft resources.

There aren't many choices right now. I will say, Okung plus a trade of a mid-round pick for Dillon is making a ton of sense right now if they can pull it off. That's the only scenario that really frees up much.

Why not trade for Dillard, a pass pro specialist with potential untapped upside who at least has NFL experience... then grab Teven Jenkins in the second, even trading up if necessary?

I'm pretty big on Jenkins, not only is he massive and chippy, but extremely athletic for his size as well... he also has the strength to hold up day 1

Now we've got two guys with big upside battling it out...

I'd rather get an LT in the draft and start him day 1 than get someone like Okung, spend the whole off season prepping him as a starter, watch him get hurt 4 games in and then try to get the rookie up to speed and regain Oline chemistry midseason.

Exactly.

So what day 1 starting LT are you getting at 31?

I didn't know we were stuck picking at 31.

Nobody said we were.

But there are no guarantees when you’re talking about a trade up so to pass on Okung as insurance would be pretty ****ing foolish.

And the T’s in our range that we could trade up for aren’t exactly sure thing day 1 starters either.

What about Yasir Durant?

You’re the sixth person to ask and that answer stays the same, he sucks.

I wish BOB was still the Texans GM so we could get Tunsil for a 2nd. I'd offer our 31st a 3rd and something next year.

This question right here is why you have to get a capable LT ASAP.

Idc if they have injury history or if they have some flaws, of course they do. Fisher did too for that matter.

You can’t go into the draft with Martinas Rankin as your LT.

Sam Cosmi. Remember the name

Thanks for mentioning somebody that has already been mentioned multiple times today.

I’d rather get Rashod Bateman if he’s there @ 31.

We can find some talented OTs either in the 2nd or 3rd.

or throw in Frank Clark.

There's a much much bigger likelihood you find a good WR late than you find a good LT late.

He has upside potential but it's as a guard not at tackle.

You're going to have to trade up 15 picks or more to get one of the guys that could easily be penciled in as the starting LT on opening day.

That's a ridiculously hefty price to pay for a "chance".

You'd likely have to take Jenkins at #31, if not earlier.

Yeah and taking a chance with Okung and a later round rookie isn't a bigger chance?

It's a much more cost effective chance and gives you another potential chance next year.

Trading up not only costs more this year, it potentially costs you another chance next year.

That would be pretty dumb for a team that's in the Chiefs current position, with a wide open Super Bowl window.

Yeah and there's a chance you get the pick right and boom, you have a starter and have Mahomes protected from now until 2035.

By “later round rookie” do you mean 2nd?

Because I don’t think anybody is advocating for taking Okung and not taking a T somewhere in the first couple rounds.

That same chance exists with any number of guys you pick at #31. It's a slightly lesser chance but it comes without any risk of screwing you fro more than 1 year as opposed to two or more.

That's fine. If we can get a good day 1 LT at 31, then yeah stay in the slot keep your picks and get him there. If we need to trade up for him, then we should do that too.

Hindsight is 20/20 but going after Trent Williams set this team back. We could have used that time and money on other positions of need like DE and WR.

They tried getting a WR yesterday. Today they scheduled a visit with a good DE

If it's a few spots, sure.

But there's no way they should trade a future 1st rounder to get into the top 12-14 picks. No way at all.

OK, then what is your plan if Okung, Villanueva are signed elsewhere, Dillard is not an option. We are setting there and your options are Eichenberg, Radunz, Hudson, etc? Then what are you going to do?

They should. This is the 2nd or 3rd most important position in football and he will be the biggest protector for the best player in football. If they believe in someone, they absolutely should give up next year's 1st to get him.

But I thought he was better used as a RT then a LT? I thought that is what you guys were saying.

This I totally agree with because it was a battle we weren't going to win. It is why he was vacationing in Mexico - he knew he was going to get "paid".

At 31? Take Radunz or Eichenberg. It’s not the greatest plan and there would be growing pains but you’d be at least ok for the most part.

So what is the BEST scenario for us going into the draft? BPA? What do you do to address the LT position? Wait for June 1st cuts? Not being rude but confused on why not get the most important position need we have right now. I know that you normally do not REACH but right now I really feel we have to. If we swing and miss then better to try and fail then not try at all? I was a fool last night with my statements - I was on call for a week and the wife was out of town. Too many Makers Marks - my bad. Of course I do not want to sell the farm and lose future 1st round picks - that would be ridiculous but, right now, we are in a serious pickle at the LT position and it honestly worries me - for Mahomes sake.

This just answered my concerns. Thanks! :thumb: At this juncture, I like Radunz.

I guess if we were able to get Dillon Radunz and Quinn Meinerz I would feel very comfortable with our o-line. Would be a helluva haul IMO!

I'm going Okung/ with 2nd or 3rd round Pick/Remmers at LT.
Sign Hilton hes not a bad 3 or 4 option.
Round 1 if Dickerson is there I guess I would take him as hes a stud just has injury concerns.

Dickerson gives you arguably one of the best interior lines with Thuney/Dickerson/Long or LDT. Assuming we dont bring back Reiter. If we bring back Reiter then I'm going BPA which is probably WR but well see how the board shakes up

So tired of people acting like this is the end of the world.

The fate of the franchise did not hinge on a 33-year old left tackle.

JFC

From what I read is lazy, " has poor work habits"

Did you miss the SB?

I think we’re fine now. Nobody is really complaining.

Where we played 4 out of 5 guys in different positions and Reid refused to change up the game plan? Did you miss the regular season game against Tampa where we had a healthy LT and Tampa still shut us down that 2nd half? Like it or not were not going to be able to just sling the ball 30 yards down field every play.

Well great.

They put up 27 in 3 quarters then Andy went into his usual coast-mode when we were up 2+ possessions.

We can beat most teams with a jag @ LT but Fisher was the straw that broke the camel's back in the SB.

Tampa adjusted and we struggled even so it wasnt like they didnt get pressure on us most of the game.

I wouldn’t be even a little mad if Veach uses next years first to go up and get a LT. He has a great eye for talent and I’d be excited if he felt that strongly about a guy that can protect Pat for a decade.

I don’t understand why some of you guys are against using a first to move up, but would be ok trading a first for a guy like Dillard or Tunsil.

Tunsil is an elite tackle who's proven. You can get Dillard and not pay a fraction of what you would moving up for a tackle in the draft.

But you’re still paying the $$ in the contract.

It’s still utilizing resources to fix a hole

A first is probably equal in impact as 15m in cap space.

Tunsil is a proven commodity. His cap hit is $990K in 2021, $17.5 M in 2022 and $18.5M in 2023. Those numbers are great.
He would definitely be worth this year and next year's 1st rounders.

How about approaching New Orleans with a 2nd round pick for Armstead? https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking...020-nfl-season
https://es.pn/2MhGcdN
Never hurts to ask.

I don't think the Saints would talk.

Same with the Ravens to us about Brown.

You may be right. But I can think of a few motivations for them:
1) With both Armstead & Ramczyk going into contract years maybe they’d like to draft another tackle instead of paying both of their current one’s so they can control cost, especially with their cap issues.
2) Maybe another pick would help them trade up if they want for said tackle, or a QB or whatever.
3) Armstead will be 30 in July. Still should have a few good years left but the Saints could get younger / cheaper. Plus one of the articles I posted said Ramczyk is capable of moving to the left side so a rookie could go to RT instead of being expected to play LT right away.
Anyway, your point is valid they might not be interested but wouldn’t hurt to check into it. Not an ideal solution for the Chiefs but looks pretty appealing to me from where they sit right now.

I’d give the Saints a first this year and a third next year for Armstead. Easily.

It would **** their cap situation though.

Wouldn’t it help their cap to unload his contract?

Get Reiter and Breeland back and then get these lower tier 2nd and 3rd wave guys and let’s ride.

Melvin Ingram
Ty Hilton or Josh Reynolds
Adoree Jackson
KJ Wright

They probably wouldn’t do it but man I would love to get Kareem Jackson for a year to replace Dirty Dan

Other than adoree I’m good with it

I’d rather see bouye

I could see Breeland falling off the cliff at any time now. If he loses another half step he can’t start.

draft the best o lineman on the board and then go with the best five

Armstead, while awesome, has really had injury problems. Borderline Sammy Watkins level.

His trajectory isn’t great IMO. The Saints might be willing to move on and it’s because they know there isn’t much left there.

Here’s Daniel Jeremiah on Walker Little’s pro day. This was from Duke Manyweather who has been working with him.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMlNIKNB...d=4i7v78bijpyu

Sounds like the read on him is he won’t be a first rd pick but teams are going to be on his ass in rd 2 looking for a steal.

Jeremiah said he was borderline in testing but that he is a big guy that could be solid. That he moved pretty well in the drills outside. The guy has only played 72 snaps at LT?? Surely that is after his injury or something.

So Houston restructured Tunsil down to a cap hit of 900k in 2021.

Doubt they trade him but if you were KC would you give up 2 1s for him?

I would, in a heart beat!

I think I would too

2 1’s and a 4 or something

To lock down Mahomes blindside with a known elite talent for several years?

Ab.so.lutely.

In fact, I was thinking this doesnt prevent Houston from trading him, it makes him even more tradable!

It would increase their dead cap but they might be ok with that to regain some high picks

Clay your boy Shaggy Shane thinks that we should be able to trade Mecole, a 5th this year and a 3rd next year for Brown and a 2cd round this year.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The KC Chiefs should trade Mecole Hardman to Baltimore plus this year’s fifth round pick and next years third. Then receive from Baltimore Left Tackle-Orlando Brown and their second round pick next month. I think that sounds good. What say you <a href="https://twitter.com/LanceTHESPOKEN?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@LanceTHESPOKEN</a> &amp; <a href="https://twitter.com/ClayWendler?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ClayWendler</a>? <a href="https://t.co/0c27Dn7hpj">pic.twitter.com/0c27Dn7hpj</a></p>&mdash; Shane Williams (@shaggyshanekc) <a href="https://twitter.com/shaggyshanekc/status/1373622680679804929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 21, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

NO

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mike Remmers&#39;s agent said he signed with the Chiefs &quot;to be their starting right tackle,&quot; but don&#39;t take all of that at face value. A Remmers vs. Lucas Niang competition at RT should be an excellent battle on the right side of the Chiefs&#39; line.<a href="https://t.co/XEhfhz3xMJ">https://t.co/XEhfhz3xMJ</a></p>&mdash; Joshua Brisco (@jbbrisco) <a href="https://twitter.com/jbbrisco/status/1373688355398025222?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 21, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Is it just me or does that sound like a terrible trade for the Ravens?

Yeah, that's absolute dogshit for the Ravens.

According to that....Shaggy Shane is an idiot.

Someone's playing too much Madden.

The Ravens have made it clear - they want a top 40 pick for Brown.

Nope. If Houston had to do it all over again, they wouldn't either. He was a bit of a disappointment and did not play up to the capital it took to get him. He set the team record fir false starts in one season. Also cant run block very well. He's good, but not two #1's good IMO.

Would like to see A. Villanueva signed as a stopgap at LT. See what happens in the draft as far as a LT of the future. Villanueva can step in immediately and doesn't have durability concerns. (Started 16 games each season for the last five years.) Villanueva didn't have a great year last year, but other options are quickly becoming scarce. He's an above average pass-protector, but not as good in the run game. For the Chiefs, that can work for now. Villanueva/Thuney could be stellar on the left side. At the very least, you would expect them to keep Mahomes upright.

Chiefs bringing in K’wonn Williams for a visit

I wonder if we could get Hollywood and Orlando for our first 2 picks.