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BigRedChief 04-28-2010 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6723141)
Or Hootie to come in and say that the Cubs have no weaknesses and the Cards have nothing in the farm system a year before that farm system produced:

Rasmus, Ryan, Hawksworth, Todd, Freese, Perez, Boggs, Wallace, Mortenson, and Garcia

Who turned into our starting SS who plays GG caliber defense, our starting 3B, multiple BP arms, trade bait for DeRosa and Holliday, one of the best young position players in baseball, and one of the best young pitchers in the league.

:clap: Damn thats impressive.

BigRedChief 04-28-2010 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod (Post 6723280)
The wife is PISSED. The broom is out of the closet and standing by for use tomorrow.

Doesn't look like I'm getting any tonight...... :D

Dude :eek:

Miles 04-28-2010 09:00 PM

Garcia has been a pleasant surprise so far.

BigRedChief 04-28-2010 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6723149)
Damn. That ****ed sucked.

A seed to the 2B that turns into a DP.

Bases loaded and nobody out. Pujols, Holliday and Rasmus coming up. How much money would you bet that we would score at least one run?

Marcellus 04-28-2010 09:04 PM

Damn nice to have a good lefty on the mound again. Not since Ankiel's rookie season could we say that.

BigRedChief 04-28-2010 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Miles (Post 6723303)
Garcia has been a pleasant surprise so far.

Pleasant surprise? He keeps this up he's on the All Star team.

Frazod 04-28-2010 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 6723316)
Pleasant surprise? He keeps this up he's on the All Star team.

I remember being bummed out that the game I was going to in Milwaukee featured our new No. 5 pitcher. I got over that shit in a hurry. The kid was lights out that day and hasn't missed a beat since. :thumb:

DJ's left nut 04-28-2010 09:10 PM

I'm not terribly fond of Garcia's mechanics (they're a little 'loud', lots of movement with his upper body that could lead to some shoulder issues in the future).

But his stuff profiles perfectly for a LHSP. Every single thing he throws moves and most of it moves in different directions.

If he can refine that changeup, he has legitimate #2 or fringe #1 potential. The changeup to righties is what makes a truly elite lefty starter. If he can get that change to tail away and drop a bit more without telegraphing it, he'll be nearly impossible to get a good swing off of. Put a running fastball with a tailing changup and righties will be in a lot of trouble. Then you look at the slider he has (decent) and the curve (very good when he's on top of it, but not consistent), and you could see how lefties would struggle, especially with that power sinker fastball.

I really love the kid's arsenal. He has 4 pitches he can throw for strikes, 3 of which are plus pitches and the 4th (the change) has the potential to be the best pitch of all of them. And when it gets down to it, if he brings nothing but the sinker to the mound with him, he can give you 6 gutty innings.

He has a very bright future if he can stay healthy. I hope those mechanics don't jump up and bite him.

BigRedChief 04-28-2010 09:16 PM

Could be get 4 pitchers on the All Star team?

DJ's left nut 04-28-2010 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 6723355)
Could be get 4 pitchers on the All Star team?

Nah, think of how good the SPing in the NL has been.

Halladay, Lincecum and Ubaldo have all been at least as good as anyone we have to offer. Santana's looking healthy, Haren's looked good (even w/ the Cardinal start). Nolasco's started out well. Hell, Barry Zito deserves consideration.

Do we have 4 guys that could make an AS argument? Probably, but I can't see more than 2 of them on the squad, since you know AP will be there and probably Molina as well.

I'm guessing WW and Penny make the squad. The rookie will still have to pay his dues and Carp's doing it with smoke and mirrors right now; I'm just worried he'll fall off.

BigRedChief 04-28-2010 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 6723380)
Carp's doing it with smoke and mirrors right now; I'm just worried he'll fall off.

He's getting old but he ain't washed up yet....But it does look(at least right now) we may have a #2 lefty starter for 2012 if Carp falls off a cliff.

Chief Henry 04-29-2010 09:11 AM

Garcia is turning heads big time...he's got filthy stuff with 3 maybe 4 pitches that he can control and put it where Molina wants...

If Brad Penny has another one or two more outings like he's been having, the Cardinals brass needs to start talking about an extension for him.

BigRedChief 04-29-2010 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Henry (Post 6724100)
if Brad Penny has another one or two more outings like he's been having, the Cardinals brass needs to start talking about an extension for him.

Not gonna happen. Penny is going to want a big payday, its his last contract so he will test the free agent market. The Cardinals can't give him #1/#2 long term contract money with such a short sample size. Less than a year ago he was washed up and nobody wanted a thing to do with him. How do we know he won't revert back to those days?

BigRedChief 04-29-2010 09:33 AM

I think this team is the best team we have had since 2004 and may yet rival that team. And I think the 2004 team was the best team we have had since the Whiteyball era.

DJ's left nut 04-29-2010 09:43 AM

The 2004 squad would've kicked the !@#$ out of the whiteyball Cards, IMO. Those clubs were a tough out because they were gimmicky and played in a ballpark ideally suited for them. Take the best Whiteyball squad, put them in a neutral stadium and have them play 162 games and I think the 2004 Cards win 90 of them.

That team was amazing and I'll listen to any arguments that have it as the best Cardinal ballclub of all time. The '67 Cardinals have a good argument, but I can't see anyone else really putting up much of a fight.


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