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Jakemall 01-09-2014 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358121)
This Urban Meyer quote is getting a ton of play it doesn't deserve, IMO.

Smith's second season in Harbaugh's system?

His YPC, YPG and INT% were all worse than in 2011.

How does YPC influence wins in comparison to a state like oh... ypa?

What does YPG as a passer mean when you have one of the better rushing teams in the NFL with the best D in the NFL?

INT% You're right...he did have more picks...almost twice as many. Yet his YPA comp% and QBR and QBR all skyrocketed.

You're reaching or trolling...not sure which.

Mav 01-09-2014 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358152)
And on cue, here come the Niner trolls, out of the walls like cockroaches.

Yeah. I mean, of course, if people who ACTUALLY watched him, try to explain something where all you did, was use stats, and its inaccurate. All of a sudden, we become TROLLS.

Boo ****ing hooooooo.

OnTheWarpath15 01-09-2014 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 10358183)
How does YPC influence wins in comparison to a state like oh... ypa?

What does YPG as a passer mean when you have one of the better rushing teams in the NFL with the best D in the NFL?

INT% You're right...he did have more picks...almost twice as many. Yet his YPA comp% and QBR and QBR all skyrocketed.

You're reaching or trolling...not sure which.

I'm doing neither. Just pointing out the stats.

If you want to claim that his 2012 performance is "good", by all means, do so. You're just showing your bias.

It's average at best, and anyone who watches professional football realizes that. It looks better than it actually is because he was so ****ing shitty his first 5 years.

To look at those numbers and state he's absolutely going to get better, just because Urban Meyer says so?

Mind-numbingly stupid.

l4z4rd 01-09-2014 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358179)
Just going by what Pro Football Reference has listed:

http://i42.tinypic.com/2ymt5z9.png

Week 10 (against the Rams) he was knocked out halfway through the 2nd quarter with a concussion.

Week 17, Harbaugh had pity on Smith and let him play one snap which he completed a 7 yd pass.

So although it says he played 10 games, he technically only played 8.5, which changes most of his stats.

OnTheWarpath15 01-09-2014 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10358197)
Yeah. I mean, of course, if people who ACTUALLY watched him, try to explain something where all you did, was use stats, and its inaccurate. All of a sudden, we become TROLLS.

Boo ****ing hooooooo.

Funny, I watched him all this year, and some of you want to claim he had this great season - when in fact, he had a great playoff game, a handful of solid games, and 8-9 average to below average games.

So yeah, forgive me for deeming unimportant the opinion of a few folks who scattered here over the year to pimp their favorite player.

Marcellus 01-09-2014 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358179)
Just going by what Pro Football Reference has listed:

http://i42.tinypic.com/2ymt5z9.png

His QBR went up 25 points.

You are one of the guys who have said take shots and live with a few more INT's. His TD% went from 3.8% to 6%.

Fact is he was playing better in 2012 than in 2011. Its really indisputable.

Marcellus 01-09-2014 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358201)
I'm doing neither. Just pointing out the stats.

If you want to claim that his 2012 performance is "good", by all means, do so. You're just showing your bias.

It's average at best, and anyone who watches professional football realizes that. It looks better than it actually is because he was so ****ing shitty his first 5 years.

To look at those numbers and state he's absolutely going to get better, just because Urban Meyer says so?

Mind-numbingly stupid.

What?

Hammock Parties 01-09-2014 04:51 PM

Alex wasn't taking more shots in 2012, though. His YPC was still low and he wasn't throwing the ball down the field.

He was throwing more TDs, though, so that's an improvement.

OnTheWarpath15 01-09-2014 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by l4z4rd (Post 10358206)
Week 10 (against the Rams) he was knocked out halfway through the 2nd quarter with a concussion.

Week 17, Harbaugh had pity on Smith and let him play one snap which he completed a 7 yd pass.

So although it says he played 10 games, he technically only played 8.5, which changes most of his stats.

Forgive me for not going back and watching the game film to make sure he didn't miss a series here or there with a bruised vagina.

That would change his stats as well.

Parker was right - it makes no difference what someone says about your Golden Boy - it's never good enough, or there's always some excuse.

I've spent the last two days saying that I'd be OK with extending him around 5/75 as long as it was front loaded and didn't hurt our chances financially to fill holes.

But poke holes in a ridiculous Urban Meyer quote, and holy shit - the Batsignal is illuminated and y'all come running to defend your boy.

It's comical, yet sad.

Mav 01-09-2014 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358209)
Funny, I watched him all this year, and some of you want to claim he had this great season - when in fact, he had a great playoff game, a handful of solid games, and 8-9 average to below average games.

So yeah, forgive me for deeming unimportant the opinion of a few folks who scattered here over the year to pimp their favorite player.

You would have a point. If I had claimed that Alex Smith could do no wrong.

I was one of the first to CRUSH him when he played poorly. Like I said. So you can keep moving your goal posts, you used stats. You were shot down easily, and quickly, all of a sudden those who have watched him for years, are trolls.

That's your defense. What the Trolls have been telling you, is that he has been getting better each season. You didn't want to accept it.

This isn't that big of a deal in all honesty.

Its just cute. The goal post moves like the wind where you guys are concerned.

Mav 01-09-2014 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358215)
Forgive me for not going back and watching the game film to make sure he didn't miss a series here or there with a bruised vagina.

That would change his stats as well.

Parker was right - it makes no difference what someone says about your Golden Boy - it's never good enough, or there's always some excuse.

I've spent the last two days saying that I'd be OK with extending him around 5/75 as long as it was front loaded and didn't hurt our chances financially to fill holes.

But poke holes in a ridiculous Urban Meyer quote, and holy shit - the Batsignal is illuminated and y'all come running to defend your boy.

It's comical, yet sad.

So, because the yardage was down, even though the attempts per game were down, the 49ers led the league in rushing, the completion percentage, the rating were all not just higher, but completely higher.

Shrugs. Im not sure that saying because his yardage was lower, he played worse.

There were other factors.

OnTheWarpath15 01-09-2014 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10358211)
His QBR went up 25 points.

You are one of the guys who have said take shots and live with a few more INT's. His TD% went from 3.8% to 6%.

Fact is he was playing better in 2012 than in 2011. Its really indisputable.

By the letter, sure he played "better." Fine. You got me.

But is "better" good enough?

If you knew he was going "improve" at that rate next year, (fewer YPG, YPC and more INT's) would you give him the $18M a season it's reported he could get?

OnTheWarpath15 01-09-2014 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mavericks Ace (Post 10358218)
You would have a point. If I had claimed that Alex Smith could do no wrong.

I was one of the first to CRUSH him when he played poorly. Like I said. So you can keep moving your goal posts, you used stats. You were shot down easily, and quickly, all of a sudden those who have watched him for years, are trolls.

That's your defense. What the Trolls have been telling you, is that he has been getting better each season. You didn't want to accept it.

This isn't that big of a deal in all honesty.

Its just cute. The goal post moves like the wind where you guys are concerned.

All of a sudden?

You and your buddies have been trolling from the moment you were ran off your Niner boards and signed up here.

Apparently you forgot about the "reception" you earned here due to the way you presented yourself.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=275294

That doesn't happen unless you stroll in here like you own the ****ing place.

Jakemall 01-09-2014 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 10358229)
By the letter, sure he played "better." Fine. You got me.

But is "better" good enough?

If you knew he was going "improve" at that rate next year, (fewer YPG, YPC and more INT's) would you give him the $18M a season it's reported he could get?

If that comes with a 25 rating increase that'll put him at 115 for the year. I'm pretty sure that doesn't suck. In fact, only 4 QBs in history have done it. Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers and Nick Foles. That's reasonably good company.

If he does that, his contract will be considered the steal of the decade.

I don't anticipate that happening.

OnTheWarpath15 01-09-2014 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jakemall (Post 10358238)
If that comes with a 25 rating increase that'll put him at 115 for the year. I'm pretty sure that doesn't suck. In fact, only 4 QBs in history have done it. Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers and Nick Foles. That's reasonably good company.

If he does that, his contract will be considered the steal of the decade.

I don't anticipate that happening.

Impossible to take someone seriously when they use QB rating as a barometer of performance.

14-18 for 90 yards, 2 TD's, 0 INT's

124.5 rating.

Lost the game by 20 points.

Great day, eh?


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