The winner is the team that was visionary enough to draft Darrelle Revis. But it'll have to go to a vote first. When the Monday game is done and I have a little time, I'll start the process. This'll be fun.

Drew Brees, bitches.

ill see your Drew Brees and raise you a Peyton Manning :)

The Butte-Holes should win it all...

My WRs panned out better than expected

Well, when I took over the team... some yahoo had drafted Cassel incredibly too early, so my decision to trade him and roll with Schaub paid off.

Schaub led the NFL in yards 4,770 and he had 29 TDs and 15 INTs... solid, very freaking solid.

Boldin was the 11th ranked WR in yards, but down on TDs with only 4.
TJ Housh was the 16th ranked WR in yards, barely missed 1k yards and only 3 TDs. My depth at WR was fairly under-whelming.
Olsen was pretty solid at TE, with 60 rec's and 8 TDs.
Shockey had some injury issues, but was decent with 48 rec's for 3 TDs.

Brandon Jacobs and Kevin Smith did "ok" at RB, both had their issues and the injury put Smith down way too early. And, both were on teams that had issues all over the place, so going forward, I still like their upside. Hillis... I'm in awe that McD couldn't find a way to make him more useful. It's a waste of talent in my opinion. But, Buckhalter and Mike Bell both added 600+ rushing yards and another 6 rushing TDs, so as a group... the ground attack had great production for the Butte-Holes...

As an offense, the Crested Butte-Holes had well over 7,000 yards of combined offense with a total of 46 TDs. That's greatness!

Mason Crosby had a great season, so no problems with the kicking game. Maynard was 'ok' as a punter.

I'm not sure how to get the best stats for OL, but it looks like they were pretty good from a high level view.

Defensively... only 6 INTs from my DBs, Wilson was a bust, but I had 4 guys with over 65 tackles and I think Marshall, Tillman and Harper were good with Elam stepping in well.

The DL was pretty solid with over 30 sacks from Peppers, Ray Edwards, Kevin Williams, Kelly and Tapp. And, at LB - Morrison and Lofton were each over 100 tackles but the others were not as prolific.

All in all... I think the production was solid and the chemistry of the team remained pretty sound throughout the year. The passing game was the strength, while the platoon at RB proved to be a nice balance. Defensively, I think they could have played better, but overall it was a good season.

God my QBs were awesome.

Jay Cutler
Brady Quinn
Chad Henne



That experiment worked out well.

It's going to be cool to see how this all pans out.

I was sure that my running game was going to be strong with Portis, Addai, and Leon Washington. I may have relied too much on Portis.

My defense was good, though.

Did you sum your WR production with your QB production, essentially double counting them?

Also, did you fully count the production of each RB and receiver? Since many of your skill players probably played a bigger role on their RL team than they would on your AR team (given that there are only so many balls to go around) that is also probably double counting production.

Double counting is greatness... I was really unsure how to judge this one, so yes... I added up their individual stats.

Yeah, I've been struggling with how to do this (including adjustments for OL and defense) since back when we were drafting this summer. If we think about which team is best the way you've done it, the game will degenerate into standard fantasy football. Not a criticism (cause I don't have a better idea yet) just an observation.

Yeah, the challenge will be using stats as enlightenment but not necessarily judging on stats alone. Part of it too will be noting how many starts each guy got, since real-life stats won't matter as much if a guy's 4th-string on our teams (though it would be proof of strong depth).

I think a big part of it is going to shake out naturally as voters look at our lineups.

Yep, I never really understood how people were going to 'grade' the teams.

There's no scheduling obviously, which means no head to head results. So, do you put together a panel that can truly grade the manner in which teams were constructed... being able to truly determine if the 4 people in a team's secondary really is possible or makes sense?

You know... it's very difficult.

If you go off of production, then yeah... you're going to look like fantasy football. That's another difficulty though and a reason I just combined the numbers. It's difficult to grade these guys "as a team"... my QB threw for a ton of yards and TDs, but my WRs/TEs/RBs didn't catch that many yards or score that many TDs, so there is an issue with balance.

I'm not sure what RainMan had in mind...

I was looking at a few teams and their starters (granted from an accumulated points/fantasy football perspective) and a number of times I said "who?"

I admitted early on that I tried to be reasonable in my approach, but I definitely took a fantasy football approach to building the team, especially since there were no contractual or cap limitations to building these teams.

If it's an "open vote" to the masses, my guess is that you will have a lot of people view the teams from a fantasy football perspective.

I'm pondering put each unit out for grading by the masses. Who has the best backfield, receivers, line, etc., and then putting the whole team out, just for fun.

I really think the simplest way is to put the lineups together, state who started how many games, and have people vote.

Maybe give people 100 words to describe their team or philosophy or something, too, just so people can highlight strengths for the audience.

Just let us know... :clap: should be very interesting.

Yeah, I'll try to explain that away, but at the same time it's not unreasonable to take stats into account. We just don't want a situation where the winner is decided by stats alone. I think the presence of the entire team will dilute that a little as well, since it'll illustrate that the stats aren't just about the player.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...seasonType=REG

ok

It will essentially be a popularity contest IMO, but I thought that before we started it as well.

My team only had 75 TDs....

Of course they had 19 turnovers....

But they forced 40 turnovers (+21) and had 30 sacks on defence...

Did you count all player TDs? I just accounted for the starters on offense.

Just the starters.

Drew Brees 34
Randy Moss 13
Terrell Owens 5
LaDanian Tomlinson 12
Knoshawn Moreno 9
Kelly Washington 2

ok my team love my d o was balanced





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QB: (3)

7 Matt Cassel
4 Brett Farve
5 Kerry Collins

RB: (3)

28 Chris Johnson
31 Jamal Lewis
29 Glen Coffee

WR: (6)

89 Antonio Bryant
80 Kevin Curtis
87 Nate Washington
86 Reggie Brown
19 Brandon Gibson
15 Michael Crabtree

TE: (2)

81 Dustin Keller
82 Alex Smith

OG: (4)

73 Anthony Herrera
53 Antoine Caldwell
63 Kyle Kosier
78 Mike McGlynn


OT: (4)

70 Donald Penn
67 Kareem Mckenzie
71 Phil Loadholt
74 Winston Justice

C: (1)

63 Jeff Saturday

P: (1)

6 Donnie JOnes

K: (1)

2 Rob bironas

PR/KR: (1)

16 Josh Cribbs

NT: (2)

95 Jason Ferguson
92 Aubrayo Franklin

DE: (5)

90 Trevor Pryce
96 Marcus Spears
77 Matt Shaughnesy
90 Darren Howard
94 Victor Abiamiri

OLB: (6)

92 James Harrison
55 Terrell Suggs
50 Mike Vrabel
51 Marcus Freeman
54 Akeem JOrdan
96 Omar Gaither

ILB: (4)

52 Ray Lewis
58 Rey Maualuga
56 Scott McKilliop
51 Joe Mays


CB: (5)

24 Brandon Flowers
22 Tracy Porter
23 Daunta Robinson
37 Ellis Hobbs
35 Macho Harris

FS (3):

21 Antrel Rolle
39 Quinten Demps
26 Sean JOnes

SS (2):

36 Brandon Merriweather
27 Quintin Mikell


IR :

87 WR Brandon Tate
59 LB Brandon Williams

My team was ****ing decimated by injuries this year.....but here are my starters and their stats. Kenny Phillips was pretty much out the entire year. Calvin Johnson and Sedrick Ellis missed a major amount of time as well. Plus my LT Jordan Gross got put on IR as well.

OFFENSE:

QB:

Jay Cutler - 3666 yards - 27 TDs - 26 INTs

RB:

Steven Jackson -
Rushing: 324 Attempts -1416 yards - 4 TDs
Receiving: 51 receptions - 322 yards

WR:

Calvin Johnson - 67 receptions - 984 yards - 5 TDs
Jerricho Cotchery - 57 receptions - 821 yards - 3 TDs
Earl Bennett - 54 receptions - 717 yards - 2 TDs

TE:

Jason Witten - 94 receptions - 1030 yards - 2 TDs


DEFENSE:

DE:

Elvis Dumervil - 49 tackles - 17 sacks
Cliff Avril - 41 tackles - 5.5 sacks

DT:

Randy Starks - 56 tackles - 7 sacks
Kyle Williams - 66 tackles - 4 sacks

OLB:

Thomas Howard - 79 tackles - 2 sacks
Rocky McIntosh - 94 tackles

MLB:

DeMeco Ryans - 123 tackles - 1 sack

CB:

Leon Hall - 71 tackles - 6 INTs
Eric Wright - 65 tackles - 4 INTs

FS:

Reggie Nelson - 70 tackles

SS:

Tyrone Culver - 32 tackles - 1 INT

I really think that each of your teams sucked... the Butte-Holes were awesome.

Wait. This isn't fantasy football. When your QB throws a TD to your WR, that's ONE touchdown. In real football, you don't get 14 points for that. ROFL

I don't think anyone is really sure what type of football this is ...

How are you going to account for the effect of an outstanding offensive line, for example? A really good offensive line can make a turd like Tony Romo almost seem like an NFL caliber QB. I'm fine with not double counting TDs as long as everyone else does the same. Of course it penalizes teams that drafted good WRs. Essentially WR picks are completely wasted and you can only count the TDs your QB threw. Conversely, if you drafted a crappy QB, but had great recievers, you couldn't really count all of the reciever TDs because your suckass QB wouldn't of gotten them the ball.

There most certainly is a strong element of fantasy to this alternative reality game.

Yeah, aside from looking for people that are "self proclaimed" phenoms on the best way to judge the creation of a team like we've done.... it's going to be difficult to not view it in a fantasy light.

I actually have some ideas about how to separate all the contributions of individual players using available data and then reconstitue a team from the pieces. If I had the data in a good format and a good block of time to work on it, I think I could do something pretty reasonable.

Perhaps TDs could be weighted based on who scored them. QB tds are worth a certain value; RB tds are another value; WR tds are a third value. All these tds are then modified by the value of the O-line; the assumption would be that a stout O-line would produce more tds while a weak o-line would of resulted in fewer tds. I'm sure cd has a pretty good formula.

I completely misunderstood how this was going to work out. I thought we were going to have head to head matchups and dicsuss the types of offenses and defenses we would implement against the other team given our personel and then everyone who participated in the draft would vote for the winner. We'd keep doing that until we had an "ultimate winner" or whatever.

I wasn't sure what was happening...

All I knew was it was a "wide open" draft to build a team with very few limitations, if any really at all. So, with that in mind... I went forward with the notion that I would put together as many great players at each position as I could acquire.

I think that anything involving weighted formulas will produce something that won't matter much. There are a few teams that you can look at and say "yeah, they're head and shoulders above the rest".

That last paragraph is my initial thinking. It may be a little harder in Year 1, but we'll diverge over time.

Though I must say, I'm interested in Fat Elvis' suggestion of going head to head, and in the tradition of the early NFL, the best record wins the championship. What do people think about that idea? (This is pending, of course, cdcox developing a formula for the whole thing.)

So, it would become fantasy football... :clap:

It may be best for everyone just to suck it up, throw all the teams out there with a blurb from each person (100 words or less) on the strategy/creation of the team and then let a vote happen.

Nah, I don't think it'd be fantasy from a scoring perspective, but a head-to-head would be interesting when comparing one team that has certain areas of strength to another that might have different areas.

Nah, my method wouldn't be like Fantasy at all.

First, I wouldn't play any games until the end of the season so that all of the data that characterizes a players performance is known before we play any of our games. At the end of the season, we'd play a full schedule of our games. Each player's performance in a given week would be randomly generated based on the distribution of that players performances over the season. Based on the aggregate performance of all your players and the aggregate performance of your opponents players, the game out come will be determined. Also, there is a random outcome of each game.

If your OL is bad at run blocking, that's going to hurt the productivity of your running game. Similarly if you are playing against a team with a good run defense. that is going to hurt your running game too. The effects are compounded, so the matchups matter. Your whole team contributes to your victory, not just the skill players.

Furthermore, I think I can accurately simulate the effect of depth and team strategy. If you want to run 3, 4, or 5 WR during some of your plays, it will matter how good your depth is. Or if you are running a two TE set, you better have multiple good TEs. On the other hand, if your WR are Andre Johnson, Wes Welker, Austin Miles, Sidney Rice and Randy Moss, you are going to lose some of the productivity of those players relative to the real NFL because there are only so many balls to go around

So this is my vision. Like I say, I think the data is out there. But for this level of characterization you need a lot of data and you need to bring it together in an organized format to do the calculations. Then you have to develop and test your models, then bring it together. This is the kind of thing I enjoy doing,but it may take me a while (months) given my heavy work schedule.

Given the delay for me do develop my method, I think the idea of voting isn't bad at all. If/when I get my method pulled together we can run it then.

If this was facebook id like this. I dont see why we cant have it both ways. a voting platform and a formula method.

its a looong offseason afterall. provided uv got the time i think you should run with this man. Cheers!

Could you incorporate the findings in this paper into your model? It is why I didn't choose a punter (especially when you have my offense....)

So what is the draft order of this with traded picks

my team sucked bad

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Are we going to do something with this game?

Looking back my team was old and terrible. Better Next Year for the WWW!

So is this some weird episode of Lost where the Alternate Reality Game 3 teams wind up on an island after some WWII Bomber Squadrons crash landed?

Yeah, definitely. I've just been busy at work since the Super Bowl. Can you (or someone) pm all the players and let them know that they need to identify their starting lineups and make a short pitch for their teams?

I've been looking forward to doing this, but have been a little too busy to devote time to it.

A few of the teams got their butts kicked by 'smokey'...

Okay, all. What about the enclosed file as a final presentation for the voting? You can input your players into the file and upload it again until we get all the teams. You can then provide a short description like mine below.

IMPORTANT - Note the starts as the starts on YOUR team, not the NFL. You can start a guy up to the number of games in which he appeared. For example, a guy who appeared in 12 games with 2 starts in the NFL can be your starter for up to 12 games. If you're in a crunch, you can start someone who didn't appear, but you have to note it. Go to the ESPN pro bowl rosters and they'll show you if someone was a pro bowl starter, backup, or replacement player.

Ideally, list the stats exactly like mine are shown in the file to make comparisons easier. For some of my guys who would've never seen the field (e.g., Jamarcus Russell), I didn't bother to list stats.

Also, I royally screwed up and accidentally deleted the master file with all the rosters on it. Did I send it to anyone? Can you post it?



Bradenton Super-Manatees


Team Summary - The Super-Manatees thrived on defense this year, putting six pro bowlers on the field in key positions. We had only 8 missed starts on defense, and our primary starters logged 40.5 sacks, 19 interceptions, and had an amazing 87 passes defensed. Three pro bowl defensive backs and two pro bowl defensive ends stopped the pass, and our pro bowl middle linebacker helped shut down the run.

The offense relied on strong blocking (3 pro bowl linemen + a pro bowl FB) and on Kurt Warner to help a not-so-famous set of skill players produce. We had 3 70+ catch receivers. The offense was hurt, though, by injuries to our starting HB, TE, RT, and third-down back.


QB
Warner,Kurt QB ACT ARI BSM 15 starts - Available 16 games, 93.2 Rating, 3753 yards, 26 TDs, 14 Ints, 66.1 completion %
Sanchez,Mark QB ACT NYJ BSM 1 start - Available 16 games, 63.0 Rating, 2444 yards, 12 TDs, 20 Ints, 53.8 completion %
Leinart,Matt QB ACT ARI BSM Available all 16 games
Russell,JaMarcus QB ACT OAK BSM Available all 16 games

QB Summary - Warner was a solid starter for us, missing 1 game due to injury. Sanchez was our backup, and the other two guys never saw the field, thankfully.

HB
Portis,Clinton RB ACT WAS BSM 8 starts, Available 8 games, 4.0 ypc, 124 carries for 494 yards, 9 receptions for 57 yards, 1 fumble
Addai,Joseph RB ACT IND BSM 8 starts, Available 15 games, 3.8 ypc, 219 carries for 828 yards, 51 receptions for 336 yards, 1 fumble
Washington,Leon RB ACT NYJ BSM Available 7 games, 4.6 ypc, 72 carries for 331 yards, 15 receptions for 131 yards, 1 fumble

FB
Weaver, Leonard FB ACT PHI BSM Pro Bowl Starter - 16 starts - Available 16 games, 4.6 ypc, 73 carries, 15 receptions for 140 yards, 0 fumbles

RB Summary - Portis was off to an okay start but we lost him at mid-season. Washington was a great third-round back, but we lost him at mid-season. We rode Addai the rest of the way, with our great fullback Leonard Weaver getting some carries to spell him. Running game wasn't that strong due to injuries, but we had good blocking ahead of them, and Weaver was the top fullback in the league.

WR
Mason,Derrick WR ACT BAL BSM 16 starts, Available 16 games, 73 receptions, 1028 yards, 14.1 average, 0 fumbles
Moss,Santana WR ACT WAS BSM 16 starts, Available 16 games, 70 receptions, 902 yards, 12.9 average, 2 fumbles
Bess,Davone WR ACT MIA BSM 16 starts, Available 16 games, 76 receptions, 758 yards, 10.0 average, 6 fumbles
Coles,Laveranues WR ACT CIN BSM Available 16 games, 43 receptions, 514 yards, 12.0 average, 0 fumbles
Stuckey,Chansi WR ACT NYJ BSM Available 15 games, 30 receptions, 318 yards, 10.6 average, 0 fumbles
Williamson,Troy WR ACT JAC BSM Available 2 games

TE
Cooley,Chris TE ACT WAS BSM 7 starts, Available 7 games, 29 receptions, 332 yards, 11.4 average, 1 fumbles
Heap,Todd TE ACT BAL BSM 9 starts, Available 16 games, 53 receptions, 593 yards, 11.2 average, 1 fumbles
Estandia,Greg TE ACT JAC BSM Available 6 games


Receiver Summary - We were about what we expected here, lots of little receivers running around getting lots of catches. We didn't scare anybody on an individual basis, but as a team I think our receivers were a good match for Warner's quick release. It hurt to lose Cooley mid-season, but Heap was a reasonable backup.


OT
Long,Jake T ACT MIA BSM Pro Bowl Starter - 16 starts, available 16 games
Starks,Max T ACT PIT BSM 16 starts, available 16 games
Thomas,Tra T ACT JAC BSM Available 8 games
Brown,Jammal T ACT NO BSM Available 0 games

G
Dielman,Kris G ACT SD BSM Pro Bowl backup, 16 starts, available 16 games
Snee,Chris G ACT NYG BSM Pro bowl replacement, 16 starts, available 16 games
Jean-Gilles,Max G ACT PHI BSM Available 13 games
Williams,Maurice G ACT JAC BSM Available 5 games

C
Raiola,Dominic C ACT DET BSM 16 starts, available 16 games
Norman,Dennis C ACT JAC BSM Available 10 games

O-Line Summary

We last Jammal Brown for the year in preseason, which hurt. However, we still had three pro bowlers and two solid vets on the line to protect Warner and block for Addai. The line would be the key for us.

K
Gostkowski,Stephen K ACT NE BSM 16 starts, 83% Field Goals, 100% EP, 67.8 Kickoff Distance, Average Return 24.4

P
Scifres,Mike P ACT SD BSM 16 starts, 45.0 gross, 39.2 net, 23 in 20 vs. 2 touchbacks

Kicking Game Summary - Can't complete at all. Good kicker, good punter.



FS
Delmas,Louis FS ACT DET BSM 15 starts, Available 15 games, 94 tackles, 1.0 sack, 2 int, 8 passes defensed, 0 FF, 1 safety
Page,Jarrad FS ACT KC BSM 1 start, available 5 games, 19 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 int, 2 passes def, 1 FF

SS
Wilson,Adrian SS ACT ARI BSM Pro bowl starter, 16 starts, Available 16 games, 74 tackles, 2.0 sacks, 5 int, 13 passes defensed, 1 FF
Considine,Sean SS ACT JAC BSM Available 11 games, 35 tackles, 0 sacks, 1 int, 4 passes defensed, 0 FF

CB
Revis,Darrelle CB ACT NYJ BSM Pro Bowl starter, 16 starts, Available 16 games, 54 tackles, 0 sacks, 6 int, 31 passes defensed, 0 FF
Bailey,Champ CB ACT DEN BSM Pro Bowl backup, 16 starts, Available 16 games, 74 tackles, 0 sacks, 3 int, 15 passes defensed, 1 FF
Brackenridge,Tyron DB ACT JAC BSM Available 16 games, 33 tackles, 0 sacks, 0 int, 4 passes defensed, 2 FF
Smith,Alphonso CB ACT DEN BSM Available 6 games
Witherspoon,Brian DB ACT JAC BSM Available 8 games

Defensive backfield Summary - Here's where we rule. Three pro bowl starters, and good ones at that. When you consider our strong pass rush, I think we had a shutdown defense this year. Our DBs were very strong, and rookie Delmas did well at free safety. Our big weakness was the lack of a nickel back, as Alphonso Smith was a rookie bust.


OLB
Shaun Phillips OLB ACT SD BSM 16 starts, available 16 games, 59 tackles, 7 sacks, 0 Int, 4 passes def., 7 FF
Fujita,Scott OLB ACT NO BSM 11 starts, available 11 games, 58 tackles, 1 sack, 0 int, 2 passes def., 2 FF
Rivers,Keith OLB ACT CIN BSM 5 starts, available 13 games, 72 tackles, 1 sack, 1 int, 2 passes def., 0 FF
Ingram,Clint OLB ACT JAC BSM Available 13 games, 52 tackles, 1 sacks, 0 int, 0 passes defensed, 0 FF

ILB
Fletcher,London MLB ACT WAS BSM Pro bowl replacement, 16 starts, available 16 games, 142 tackles, 2 sacks, 1 Int, 6 passes def., 1 FF
Barnett,Nick MLB ACT GB BSM Available 16 games, 105 tackles, 4 sacks, 0 Int, 7 passes def., 0 FF

Linebacker Summary - This was a huge concern going into the season since I didn't invest high draft picks in this area. However, Phillips was strong and a playmaker, and Fletcher shut down the middle. On the other side, I had hoped for Keith Rivers to blossom, but Fujita actually took the job and held it other than an injury for a few games.

DE
Allen,Jared DE ACT MIN BSM Pro bowl starter, 16 starts, available 16 games, 51 tackles, 14.5 sacks, 1 Int, 4 passes def., 5 FF, 1 safety
Williams,Mario DE ACT HOU BSM Pro Bowl backup, 16 starts, available 16 games, 43 tackles, 9 sacks, 0 Int, 3 passes def., 2 FF
Groves,Quentin DE ACT JAC BSM Available 16 games, 30 tackles, 0 sacks, 1 Int, 1 passes def., 1 FF
Hayward,Reggie DE ACT JAC BSM Available 1 game, 1 sack

DT
Harris,Tommie DT ACT CHI BSM 15 starts, available 15 games, 24 tackles, 2.5 sacks, 1 Int, 1 passes def., 0 FF
Mebane,Brandon DT ACT SEA BSM 15 starts, available 15 games, 49 tackles, 1.5 sacks, 0 Int, 0 passes def., 0 FF
Robbins,Fred DT ACT NYG BSM 2 starts, available 16 games, 25 tackles, 2 sacks, 0 Int, 5 passes def., 0 FF
Harrison,Marcus DT ACT CHI BSM Available 16 games, 24 tackles, 1 sacks, 0 Int, 0 passes def., 0 FF
Landri,Derek DT ACT JAC BSM Available 7 games, 1 sack

Defensive Line Summary - Strong area of the team here. Our ends are the best in the business, and while we didn't have much depth, we never took Allen and Williams off the field anyway. We had a strong 3-man rotation at tackle that could stop the run and rush the passer.


Kick Returns

Leon Washington 7 starts, Available 7 games, 24.1 ypr, 16 returns
Alphonso Smith 6 starts, Available 6 games, 18.8 ypr, 4 returns
Davone Bess Available 16 games, no returns


Punt Returns
Davone Bess 16 starts, Available 16 games, 7.5 ypr, 28 returns
Santana Moss Available 16 games, 4.7 ypr, 11 returns
Alphonso Smith Available 6 games, 4.7 ypr, 10 returns

Kick Return Summary - Bit of a bust here. Washington got hurt, Bess didn't have a great year, and no one else stepped up. Not very good.


Reserves

Moore,DJ CB CB ACT CHI BSM
Roth,Matt DE not found none BSM

It would seem to me that we should prorate the stats if they wouldn't have accumulated that many for your team.

Here are mine


QB
Palmer, Carson - Cin 16 Starts 83.6 rating 3094yds 21TD
Vick, Michael - Phi Available 15 games

HB
Turner, Michael - Atl 11 Starts 178 rushes 871 yards 4.9 avg 10TD 5 rec 35 yds
McCoy, LeSean - Phi 5 Starts, Available 16 155 for 637 4.1 avg 4 TD 40 rec 308
Hightower, Tim - Ari Available 16 143-598 4.2avg 8td 63rec-428

FB
Schmitt, Owen - Sea 16 Starts

WR
Smith, Steve-NYG Pro Bowler 16 Starts, 16 Available 102 rec - 1220 yds 7 TD
Jackson, Desean - Phi Pro Bowler 15 Starts, 15 available 63-1167 9TD 11 rush-137 punt ret avg 15.2
Morgan, Josh - SF 1 Start - 16 Available 52-527 3TD

TE
Celek, Brent-Phi 16-16 76-971 8TD

OT
Albert, Brandon - KC 14 starts
Harris, Ryan - Den 8 starts
Ndukwe, Ike - KC 10 starts

G
Blalock, Justin - Atl 16 Starts
Colledge, Daryn - GB 16 Starts

C
Kalil, Ryan - Car Pro Bowl - 16 Starts


K
Hartley, Garrett - NO 12 starts - 81.8% 5 for 5 in NFL playoffs

P
Colquitt, Dustin - KC 16 Starts 45.4 avg, 21 inside 20

FS
Weddle, Eric - SD 13 Starts 82 tackles, 1.5 sacks, 2 INT
McGraw, Jon - KC 3 Starts 46, 1, 1

SS
Leonhard, Jim - NYJ 15 Starts, 16 Available - 76, 2, 1
Bigby, Atari - GB 1 Start, 13 Available - 49, 0, 4

CB
Rogers-Cromartie, Domonique - Ari 16 starts - 50 tackles, 25PD, 6 INT
Carr, Brandon - KC 13 starts/16 availabl6 - 62/25/1
Wilson, Josh - Sea 3 starts/12 available - 45/13/2


OLB
Greenway, Chad - Min 16 games - 99 tackles, 0 sacks, 1 FF, 3 INT
Ellison, Keith - Buf 8 starts/8 available - 68 tackles
Studebaker, Andy - KC 8 Starts/ 16 available - 28 tackles, 2 INT

ILB
Pozluszny, Paul - Buf 12starts/12 available 111 tackles, 1 sack, 3 FF, 3 INT
Jackson, D'Qwell - Cle 6 starts/6 available 59 tackles
Williams, Demorrio - KC 14 starts/16 available 117 tackles

DE
Kiwanuka, Mathias - NYG 16 starts - 61 tackles, 3 sacks, 2 FF
Langford, Kendall - Mia 16 starts - 43, 2.5, 1

NT
Jolly, Johnny - GB 39 tackles, 1 sack, 1 FF, 1 INT, 10 PD

We should, but I wondered if it would be easier for people to judge performance if they saw the full stats. So if your backup runner gained 1500 yards at 4.5 yards per clip, it'd be pretty obvious that he was good even if you didn't need him for all that.


Nice team you've got there. Your skill position guys came through pretty strong. It seems like you had a few injury problems at tackle and linebacker that may haunt you, but that may hurt you less than me losing 2 of my 3 halfbacks at midseason.

Wow, Brandon Carr had 25 passes defensed? Revis had 31 for me and blew away everyone else on my team, so I presumed that he was a huge outlier. Maybe not.

Why only TD stats for QBs?

My concern was that people see TD numbers and it might start leading to a fantasy scoring mentality, when it's really about figuring out who's got the best team. A player might get a ton of touchdowns because he plays with Peyton Manning, or he might get 2 touchdowns because he plays behind a bad line, so touchdowns seem to me more reflective of a real-life team. (All stats are, and I pondered having us not list stats at all - what do you think?)

I included QB touchdowns primarily as a counterpart to interceptions since TD/Int ratios are commonly used as an evaluation.

If I don't get stats from a lot of people, we may not have a lot of choice, either. We may have to go stat-free.

Pretty strong D you ended up with there.

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53 Man Roster for LOs Angeles Purple Cobras:

The Purple Cobras were built as a team with the team concept being held in the utmost respect. Though the team had 8 pro bowlers this is a team and there are no idividuals we win as a team and lose as a team. With a dominating D led by ray lewis, James Harrison, and the emergence of youngsters akeem jordan, Aubrayo Franklin, and Rey Mauluga the front seven was dominating stopping the run dead in its tracks. The bread and butter of this D however is the deffensive backfield of Porter, Flowers, Rolle and a rotation of Mikell and Merriweather teams found it hard to pass on the cobras consistently. Although there were many injuries and suggs didn't play up to potential this D came together to be the heart and soul of this team

The purple Cobras offense took a major gamble but sometimes gambles payoff. First they traded with MIle high Gm to secure the qb of the future Matt Cassel , but gm chiefscafan questioned wheteher they needed a vetran on this team. Much maligned for the pick gm chiefscafan took a gamble and it ended up playing off. He took a flyer on Brett Favre hoping maybe he would give it another season. Well with much convincing he did decide to give it one more try and rewarded the purple cobras with over 4,000 yrds passing and 33 TDs. Now for most offenses that would be enough but the cobras took yet another gamble and decided to make their first selection the young RB Chris JOhnson with thier first pick overall. Wow did that ever pay off with a over 2,000 yrd season. No team is perfect however and the WR core is good but young so the sky is the limit for this core but right now the stats are low.

Now on to special teams arguably the best returner in the game in Josh Cribbs is on this team who contributed 3 kick off TDS and one PR touch downs. Still showed why he is considered the most dangerous kick returner in the game today. The cobras are also excited to add Brandon Tate to Cribbs to form the most dynamic return duo ever.

KIcking and punting two professionals who exceded expectations in Bironas who averaged 84.4 yrds and was a perfect 37-37 on extra points. Punting the cobras also had one of the best in the game in Donnie JOnes who avg 46.8 yrds a punt and had 34 punts downed inside the 20 yard line.


There may be better teams with an O or a D but I doubt there is a team as complete as the Los Angeles Purple cobras who are solid in all there aspects of offense, deffense and special teams. The cobras are excited about next season because with some added youth and the maturation of the receiving core this is gonna be one of the teams to beat.






QB: (3)

4 Brett Farve Pro Bowler 16 starts 107.2 rating 4,202 yrds 33 TDs

7 Matt Cassel 15 available games

5 Kerry Collins



RB: (3)

28 Chris Johnson Pro Bowler 16 starts 2,006 yrds 5.6 avg 91T 14 TDS 50 rec 503 yrds 10.1 2 TDs

31 Jamal Lewis 8 games available

29 Glen Coffee 14 games available

WR: (6)

89 Antonio Bryant 11 starts 39 Rec 600 Yds 4 TDs

80 Kevin Curtis

87 Nate Washington 15 starts 47 rec 569 yds 6 TDs

86 Reggie Brown

19 Brandon Gibson 9 starts 34 rec 348 yds 1 TD

15 Michael Crabtree 11 starts 48 rec 625yrds 2 TDs

TE: (2)

81 Dustin Keller 16 starts 45 rec 522 yrds 2 TD

82 Alex Smith available 16 games

OG: (4)

73 Anthony Herrera 14 starts

53 Antoine Caldwell 2 starts

63 Kyle Kosier 16 starts

78 Mike McGlynn


OT: (4)

70 Donald Penn 16 starts

67 Kareem Mckenzie available 12 games

71 Phil Loadholt 15 starts

74 Winston Justice 16 starts

C: (1)

63 Jeff Saturday Pro Bowler 16 starts

P: (1)

6 Donnie JOnes 16 starts 46.8 avg 34 inside 20

K: (1)

2 Rob bironas 16 starts 84.4 avg 37-37 extra points kickoffs avg 24.1

KR: (1)

16 Josh Cribbs Pro Bowler 16 starts 27.5 avg 3 TDS 56 returns

PR:

16 JOsh Cribbs Pro Bowler 16 starts 11.9 avg 1 TD 38 returns

NT: (2)

92 Aubrayo Franklin 16 starts 25 TKLS 2 Sks 1 INT 3 PD

95 jason Ferguson available 9 games

DE: (5)

96 Marcus Spears 14 starts 25 TKls 2.5 Sks 1 PD

90 Trevor Pryce available 7 games

77 Matt Shaughnesy 2 starts 29 TkLs 4 SKS

90 Darren Howard 16 starts 21 TKLs 6.5 Sks 3 PD

94 Victor Abiamiri

OLB: (6)

92 James Harrison Pro Bowler 16 starts 60 TKLS 10 SKS 2 PD 5 FF

55 Terrell Suggs 13 starts 44 TKLS 4.5 SKs 5 PD 1 FF

50 Mike Vrabel 14 starts 43 TKLS 2 SKS 5 PD 2 FF

51 Marcus Freeman

54 Akeem JOrdan 10 starts 60 TKLS 1 SKS 6 PD 2 INT

96 Omar Gaither available 3 games

ILB: (4)

52 Ray Lewis Pro Bowler 16 starts 134 TKLS 3 SKS 2 FF 7 PD

58 Rey Maualuga 15 starts 39 TKLS 1 SKS 2 PD 3 FF

56 Scott McKilliop 1 game avialable

51 Joe Mays


CB: (5)

24 Brandon Flowers 15 starts 58 TKLS 5 INT 2 FF 23 PD

22 Tracy Porter 11 starts 48 TKLS 4 INT 2 FF 12 PD

23 Daunta Robinson 16 starts 54 TKLS 1 FF 9PD

37 Ellis Hobbs

35 Macho Harris available 8 games

FS (3):

21 Antrel Rolle Pro Bowler 15 starts 61 TKLS 4 INT 1 FF 1.5 SKS 8 PD

39 Quinten Demps

26 Sean JOnes 9 starts 44 TKLS 1 SKS 2 INT 5 FF

SS (2):

27 Quintin Mikell Pro Bowler 16 starts 69 TKLS 13 PD 2 INT

36 Brandon Merriweather Pro Bowler 16 starts 53 TKLS 9 PD 5 INT 2 FF


IR :

87 WR Brandon Tate
59 LB Brandon Williams
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man this took me all day i hope all of you enjoy

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Top, just so I can pull rosters.

Hey guys - I just sent RainMan a note. I have been unable to do anything with this ... I started it back when the first note was sent, but I've been swamped. I think you may need to take me up on the offer from last year and find a new GM.