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Geno Smith has the highest completion percentage in the NFL on throws 15+ yards downfield this season, (t-most completions 24).

PFF, Geno vs Alex

QB rating - 84.93 - 80.58
Acc. percentage - 71.8 - 70.5
Deep passing - 14 for 24 - 3 for 9
Deep passing - #1 in completions - #29 in completions
Acc. percentage under pressure - 56.5 - 56.5

one has played 5 games
one has played 9 years

You geno lovers crack me up. Why would you want a QB that isn't smart enough to take a timeout on 3rd and 1 near the goal line?

Remember all that bullshit about "oh Geno just checks down all the time, he can't throw it deep, I have concerns about his deep accuracy."

****ing reeruns.

Every single team in the NFL passed on Geno Smith (2nd rd, pick 7). So you have to believe that there was something to it. Not saying Geno won't become a good QB, but there was something that scared off a lot of NFL teams that could have used an upgrade at the QB position. I was in the Geno Smith camp. But after he fell to the 2nd round, I figured the Chiefs must have made the right choice. Sure, there are guys that were drafted late or not at all throughout history that have become stars. Time will tell whether this guy is one of those. But one game against a crappy defense does not a season (nor career) make.

And one of those games was a gift. Should be 2-3. Just sayin'.

It wasn't a gift. Geno made plays before the last 30 seconds of the game.

Alex Smith had a play almost identical to Geno's "gift" against the Titans on Sunday so you can now OFFICIALLY stop using that play to bring down Chocolate Love.

All the games count when alex wins them.

Not even close to the same thing. Geno made plays but that last gift was a game changer on the last play of the game Alex Smith's gift wasn't at the end of the game so we can't say what would have been the outcome. My guess is that the Chiefs still would have won the game. Alex has shown the knack for finishing games in the 4th quarter. Apples and oranges, my friend.

Look, I don't really care either way. You guys wanted Geno. Hell, I said I wanted him, too. But it is obvious to me that there was a reason every single NFL team passed on him. And you guys want to overlook facts just to suit your agenda. That's fine, but it really doesn't help your argument. Now, while you're looking at all these stats for QBs perhaps you should check turnovers.

You're right.

The Chiefs had a third down, Alex couldn't convert it and ran for 2 yards, and a questionable penalty gifted the Chiefs with a first down, leading to the winning score.

The Jets had a SECOND down, Geno ran for TEN yards, resulting in a FIRST DOWN. There were still 7 seconds left on the clock, but a COMPLETELY LEGIT penalty led to the winning score.

Geno's play was BETTER than Alex's and the penalty was LEGIT.

Now lean forward and CHOKE yourself.

Those teams.

WERE WRONG.

The Chiefs.

WERE WRONG.

Are you too stupid to recognize the difference in these 2 scenarios? :doh!:

It's 100 percent clear now that Geno Smith was obviously a first-round talent, who was passed over only because of the post-RGIII/Luck draft climate.

He's as good a prospect as guys like Ryan Tannehill and EJ Manuel were.

By the way, how is Manuel doing? He actually makes Alex look good.

BTW, by gift I meant that the TB player was a moron for hitting Geno (obviously) late, which allowed them to be in FG position.

so we won't ever find you rooting for UDFA Bray, right?

because the entire nfl refused to draft him, so it is settled forever that he can't be any good...

it's hilarious that a QB 'falling' all the way to the 39th pick is now evidence of some mortal failing..."oh no, he was a high second draft pick, he can't be good!"

There's very little difference.

If the Chiefs don't get that penalty, the Titans get the ball back and could have easily run the clock out considering how the game was going at that point. All momentum was on their side.

If the Jets don't get that penalty, they probably lose, too.

But you dumbasses are DONE criticizing Geno for a "gift penalty," because the one Alex "drew" was an even BIGGER gift.

Time will tell. You may be right. I certainly not discounting that possibility. It doesn't matter to me now, though, since he isn't the Chiefs QB. My only concern is how well Alex Smith does for us. If he proves that he can get us to the playoffs AND WIN in the playoffs then I'll be happy. If not well.....

Quite a stretch of logic there.

What Geno is doing with the dogshit situation and talent around him is remarkable.

It's gonna be fun to follow his career to see how he does as they add talent around him.

Also:

Geno > Cam

I prefer to think of it like this... Alex is playing as well as Geno is. And for two seconds instead of a first overall!

:)

Uhm... how was it a bigger gift? If Geno doesn't get that flag, the game is over. KC's game was not over. In fact, the KC offense still had to finish out the 10 play drive and score a TD.. not a FG.. a TD. :hmmm:

100% clear now, huh? So after being good against a horrific defense, it's clear? Oh boy... you have got to wash your face, mouth, and eyes out from all that Choco-bukkake. :doh!:

Didn't say that. But you guys hitching your wagon to Geno insisted that he must go at 1.1 obviously must be smarter than all the GMs in the NFL that watched all his game coaches films, worked him out, and interviewed him. Sure, sometimes they make mistakes or overlook a talent. Time will tell if that's the case. And you really need to check your reading comprehension because I never said that I thought Geno is or would be a failure. Teams draft based on what they feel is a player's potential. It really all comes down to what percentage of a gamble you are willing to make. I'm just saying that you guys want to blame the Chiefs yet every other NFL team will deserve the blame for failing to recognize if Geno becomes a star.

I don't think any of the teams balked at Geno for how he is when things go well. It wasn't that they didn't think he could throw TD and win games, but rather how he handles throwing INTs and losing. That's why he fell. Geno could still end up like Rivers or Cutler. But I'm with you that it was reeruned how many teams with QB needs passed on the clear-cut best QB in the draft in favor of sub-par talents like Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher. Those dudes are fine, and will be fine, but what the **** made Eric Fisher worthy of the first overall pick and not Geno?

I'm fairly certain that the Chiefs would have had to take Geno 1.1 in order to secure him. If we didn't trade for Alex Smith, everyone would have known we were going QB. The Jets would have traded up to either #33 with Jax or back into the first round for him.

Not that taking Geno 1.1 would have been bad. I would have JIMPd.

1.1 Geno Smith
2.34 Zach Ertz
3.63 Terrence Williams/Stedman Bailey/Keenan Allen


I think I'd have vastly preferred that draft. But I said that at the time, too.

Because Alex's penalty should probably not have been called.

Geno was clearly out of bounds.

is the 2nd round some kind of purgatory now?

jesus, he was the 39th pick, not a udfa...

No it's ****ing not.

The Chiefs had ****ing choked away the game to that point.

That penalty was a HUGE momentum shift. Credit to Alex for taking advantage of it, but whatever.

You're DONE discrediting Geno due to his gift, because Alex has received the SAME good fortune.

Who ****ing knows if we even get the ball back or if Alex has a drive in him or if he can convert on 4th down after that failed third down conversion.

I'm not saying this game makes or breaks Geno Smith. It's a positive step, but he must continue to build on it. He must continue to progress and strengthen his ball security. He's trending upwards and might be a star even sooner than I, one of his biggest fans on here, thought.

Teams seemed to pass on him because of character/maturity concerns that came out of the interview room. This wouldn't be the first time that was either false, overblown, or something the player used to motivate himself past those issues. I think the fact he fell in the draft is a weak excuse.

So, he'd be better than Alex? Like, way, way ****ing better?

Oh noes!

This is an important part of all this. Everyone knew Geno had an arm and could do some nice things. It's about what happens when the shit hits the fan. Does he have the mental makeup to sink or swim... would he put in the work? ... and that scared the hell out of some teams.

As we all know, drafts can't be judged until a few years down the road. I don't think it's fair for the people that say Fisher wasn't a good choice just because he has struggled. First, he's playing on the other side of what he played in college. He also has to get used to the speed at this level. Same with Geno. Same with all college players. Review this again in 4-5 years and it may be a completely different story. Again, time will tell. I'm not discounting the possibility that Geno may turn into a star. But I think you guys need to not discount the possibility that he may not. Or he could be somewhere in between, like a Phillip Rivers - great arm but makes boneheaded decisions at times.

Another asshat commenting on a game he didn't watch :facepalm: You were doing so well to.

If Geno doesn't get that flag he has 7 seconds to pick up 10 yards for a shot at a FG.

Yeah, he totally can't do that since he hasn't shown any ability at all this year.

4 months ago all we heard about was "Geno isn't NFL ready, he needs a year."

Yeah, he needs a year...that's why he just beat a QB who was in the NFC Championship game last year. On the road.

Keep moving those goalposts.

What you want to bet the Jets beat a horrible Steelers team this weekend? Oh noes, 4-2!

The Chiefs/Titans game had plenty of time left for anything to happen and the Chiefs were only down by 4 points. In the Jets/TB game if that penalty hadn't happened by a completely boneheaded decision to hit Geno late then the game is most likely over and TB wins. Again, those scenarios are not the same thing. Just because you say that I don't get to discredit that win doesn't mean I can't talk about that game and give you the facts on the situation that you know is true. You don't get to decide your own facts.

LMAO Holy shit. There it is again. I guess if another TrueFans say it they think it might become true.

I suppose that was possible. I thought there was less than 7 seconds but whatever. Perhaps Geno makes a play to get 10 yards. Perhaps not. 7 seconds but with how many TOs? Seriously, I'm asking as that was several weeks ago and I don't recall. All I remember thinking at the time is that without that late hit the Jets lose.

Care to enlighten me?

Look, I don't really even care to get into this Geno vs Alex nonsense. But anyone who watched the end of that game felt that it was pretty much over if that TB player doesn't go brain dead. The PF penalty was legit, no doubt.

7 seconds to get 8-10 yards and no TO's. I'd say 50/50 shot they still win that game, but it was no where near a forgone conclusion it was over without the penalty, not am I saying Geno for sure gets that yardage and stops the clock for sure.

Imagine being a Chiefs fan and the Chiefs are in the same situation. 7 seconds, 8-10 yards needed for a 52 yard fg to win the game. Then let's say for some reason we fumble the snap on the play with 7 secs to go. Would you brush it off as well we had no shot at that game so no big deal on the fumbled snap?

HELL ****ING NO! NOBODY WOULD.

Hey, another one that doesn't care about the thread topic but can't seem to stop posting in it.

Really? I get the impression from reading comments here I was the only one that actually watched the game and understood the entire situation while everyone else saw a sportscenter highlight clip followed by a field goal kick.. That's probably why everyone is getting it wrong.

I think Marty Mornhinweg is doing a great job with that offense. Because they have a rookie QB and not alot of quality starters at the skill positions. The offensive line is ok, though.

I watched the end of the game as they switched over after the Chiefs game. And I just watched it again. The Jets had 7 seconds left and no timeouts. He runs out at about the TB 47. So you guys are assuming that Geno would have been able to get at least 10-15 yards and and get out of bounds in under 7 seconds? That's quite a big assumption.

Edit: Wrong quote. Meant that more for the other Geno fans. You already said your peace on this game in the last post.

Look, another Geno lover who can't discuss facts and would rather just snipe.

I know you didn't mean to quote me, but yeah I think he had a 50-50 shot of hitting a 10 yard pass and the WR getting out of bounds. Again, put the shoe on the Chiefs foot in the scenario I gave. Obiously, if they had TO the odds go way up of him getting that yardage and again he did go 33 yards in 26 seconds without a TO just to put them in a position for a penalty to help them out.

If you're going to come in here and shit on Geno, expect backlash, homer.

Geno's "gift" only won a game because Geno made other plays prior to it.

One more thing. Geno ran out at the 47. For a 52 yard FG attempt, the Jets would have had to get it to the 35. That's 12 yards, not 8-10. And as for the True Fans comment in the other post, that is ridiculous. I'm not one of those who feels as though every move the Chiefs make is the wrong one. But I do think feel that some of you guys are just as bad as the True Fans that you constantly degrade. Not every move the Chiefs make is right but not every move they make is wrong, either. I prefer to give them time and a fair shot. I think we're all still so used to being screwed over by the past 2 regimes that we just assume that is going to happen again. I prefer to wait and see. So far, I like what they're doing. If Alex doesn't do well in the playoffs this year and the regular season/playoffs next year then I would like to see us go for another QB. Or perhaps Bray will develop.

Meh, it's 2 yards. Still a legit FG attempt at 54 yards or gettig 12 instead of 10. The point being it wasn't "over except for the stupid penalty". Far from it.

Most agree they pushed a lot of right buttons. Avery, Cooper, McGrath, all fine pickups. The problem is however the players bitched about Alex and Fisher seem to be underwhelming. In fact every time I watch this team I wonder how dominant it could have been with a franchise QB. Hopefully that's Bray. I like that move as well.

Your and idiot. I didn't shit on Geno. I simply stated some facts on the scenario. Facts in which you have not come up with a good refute. BigCatDaddy is really the only one of you who actually made a good argument. I don't necessarily agree with his 50/50 chance argument, but at least he admits that the chances were not great. Geno did a good job getting them back in it, sure. I'll admit that. And that shows some potential for his future for sure. But he also turned it over several times that put them down in the first place. Perhaps that's just him being a rookie and he'll grow out of it. I'm willing to admit that. That's the whole point. You're so attached to Geno that you're blind to the bad stuff he does. You only see what you consider the good stuff. That pretty much makes you a homer. A Geno homer. And that's just as bad as the True Fans who were too blind to blind to the Chiefs failings of the past few years to see what a train wreck Pioli and Co. were and how they were ruining this franchise.

Absolutely on all counts.

"He'd be 2-3 if it wasn't for that miracle!"

Pick up your shit, and eat it.

Us "Genobaters" are looking solid right now. I actually liked the Alex trade, but damn I wanted Geno sitting behind him. No such thing as investing too much in the QB position.

tell that to the Ravens~

Don't act like you aren't jealous.

http://www.nydailynews.com/polopoly_..._300/image.jpg

They're busy polishing their shiny new lombardi

Sexy. I was right about Kaepernick. I was right about Russell Wilson. I'm gonna be right about Geno, too. He'll prove the doubters wrong, by God.

Now... paging Aaron Murray... Aaron Murray... please come to the criminally underrated desk... Aaron. Murray.

PS your sig is still reeruned.

That they won without having to pay for a $120 million quarterback. Let's see how often they get to the Super Bowl when they can't afford to put a good offensive line or defense on the field to protect Flacco...

Whatever. I'm waiting for our defense to falter. And when it does...Alex will fall right in line.

PS - The Falcons scored 28 points last night.

Geno.

I liked what I saw from Geno last night. He made mistakes, got creamed for some, made some good throws and some bad throws, but he kept playing hard and didn't crumble under pressure on the road and all.

While you're criticizing their methods they have 2 championships in the past 15 years? Meanwhile the Chiefs?

oh hey remember when people compared geno and rodgers

wo those people what were they thinking

http://i.imgur.com/E93deRZ.jpg

It's still too early to tell whether or not Geno Smith is a "bust" or "boom" and your assertion is more supposition than fact or to be more correct stretching a point for validation.

It seems you tend to forget the real gaffes like butt-fumbling 2 times or stepping out of the end zone and the interceptions.

Way too soon to make that assertion.

Being passed over had nothing to do with his leadership issues that were all being pointed out at the Combine? And his performance at the combine was nowhere near one that set him apart from the rest of the QBs.

Actually it was the mostly the character/maturity issues, but there was alot of talk that he did nothing on the workouts that separated him by any great length from the other QB's that worked out at Indy.

The guy had no leadership issues. It was all a bunch of bullshit.

"he's not RGIII! Nor Andrew Luck! West Virginia! Spread offense! GET AWAY FROM ME, SATAN GENO!"

The guy was a first-round ****ing talent and about 15 teams are weeping and beating themselves in lamentation right now.

Their methods were drafting well and having an excellent all-around team.

Signing Joe Flacco to a massive extension had absolutely nothing to do with their success.

It's like watching a guy get blown by two models. Afterwards he smokes a cigarette. You think the cigarette got him the girls, and it didn't. It might even deter future models from being attracted to him.

Flacco's contract was a RESULT of the championship. Not a cause. And it might deter future championships as well, since it will be much harder to spend money on vital positions of need.

HIS CONTRACT GOES UP TO $31M in the fourth year. That's ONE FOURTH OF YOUR SALARY CAP FOR JOE ****ING FLACCO.

**** yes I'm criticizing those methods.

Yeah, I think you're wrong there. He clearly had some issues, but I didn't think it was something that he couldn't grow out of. You know... as he grew up.

:facepalm:

Did geno's third td count? They only had to go 20 yards for it

It's a lot like a chevy fan criticizing BMW. The Ravens have had a great front office for over a decade. Let's just assume they know a few things you don't.

Bullshit. It was total ****ing bullshit. You would think he was Ryan ****ing Leaf the way people around here crowed about it. Not even ****ing close.

So...what you are saying is that you want the Chiefs to fail so you can be right about Geno?

Would you rather have geno in KC, and be 3-2 likely, or what we have now?

It counted, because he made an electric ****ing throw.

http://i.imgur.com/H3kMTp1.gif

The ravens won a Super Bowl doing basically what the chiefs are doing this year.

I'd rather have Geno than Fisher.

Alex could have started and given way to Geno when the time was right.

It was a 2 yard throw

Nope. Joe Flacco throws the ball down the field.