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O.city 09-02-2013 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9933231)
This perfectly illustrates my point.

What do you expect? Okay, so both Dunta Robinson and Jalil Brown aren't good enough to be 3rd and 4th corners on our team. Got it.

Let's go get Richard Sherman. He'd be a ****ing dynamite Nickle.

And then we'll get Revis to play in the Dime.

These guys are depth corners. You folks need to Look at the depth corners throughout this league and re-calibrate your definition of 'trash'. Brown isn't great, no, but he's the 4th damn corner. He's going to be better than Parker. He's pretty much the exact same 4th corner that everyone else has. I see absolutely no reason to believe that Parker's going to be better than him.

"Rawr! He sucks! Cut him!" Whatever - that's pretty much the level of player you're looking at when you're talking about anyone from about 45 down on NFL rosters. And Robinson, while not a great CB, is better than most teams are running out there as a NCB.
I asked a similar question the other day, but got no response, when some were stating we were going to lose games because of brown an Robinson

TEX 09-02-2013 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 9932808)
The only guy we cut that ever did anything for us was Moeaki and his release was obviously injury related as he was out there for the first snaps of offense in each preseason game.

I'd liked to have seen th lem keep Powe over Toribio, but it's not a big deal.

Getting a ham sandwich for Baldwin was nice.

I can't believe anyone is disappointed we cut Brown, the guy was trash.

Wylie didn't ever do anything but get hurt and disappoint.

I just wish they'd find a way to get rid of Dante Robinson. That guy is gonna cost us football games.
Totally agree with all of it, especially the Dunta Robinson part. He WILL cost KC big time. The guy is pure TOAST. He can't play CB anymore. When KC first signed him I thought it was for Safety depth NOT CB. This guy hasn't been the same since his knee injury years ago. I hold my breadth when I see him on the field -

chiefzilla1501 09-02-2013 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9933271)
I asked a similar question the other day, but got no response, when some were stating we were going to lose games because of brown an Robinson
You got no response because I think there are people wondering why we decided to trade away our younger, cheaper corner in Arenas who was probably better for an older, more expensive, probably not as good corner in Dunta Robinson.

If Robinson was groomed to play FS, I can understand. I'll give Dorsey some time, but his roster decisions at depth CB are extremely questionable so far. I don't know why people are so convinced that Parker and Cooper are going to be any better than Brown, given how ridiculously wrong we were in trying to replace Arenas with Cox and Agnew.

FlaChief58 09-02-2013 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9933289)
You got no response because I think there are people wondering why we decided to trade away our younger, cheaper corner in Arenas who was probably better for an older, more expensive, probably not as good corner in Dunta Robinson.

If Robinson was groomed to play FS, I can understand. I'll give Dorsey some time, but his roster decisions at depth CB are extremely questionable so far. I don't know why people are so convinced that Parker and Cooper are going to be any better than Brown, given how ridiculously wrong we were in trying to replace Arenas with Cox and Agnew.
Makes you wonder what it was that turned them off on Arenas. Had to be something there that we don't know about

O.city 09-02-2013 10:59 AM
Has arenas been good in Arizona? I have no clue.

But like DJ said, looming around the league, our 3 and 4 CBS are about what you expect

chiefzilla1501 09-02-2013 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Flachief58 (Post 9933302)
Makes you wonder what it was that turned them off on Arenas. Had to be something there that we don't know about
I agree that Pioli guys need to be put on notice. I just hope that we're not going overboard. Wouldn't concern me as much if we didn't go down this same road a few years ago to disastrous results. It's not just guys like Baldwin, it's contributors like Winston, Arenas, Albert... allegedly *rumor* McCluster and Hudson as well.

This team seems slightly obsessed with Seahawks, 49ers, Packers, and Eagles players. I just hope that we're picking up guys because they're actually better, and not because of "philosophical" differences that can be ironed out over time.

Mother****erJones 09-02-2013 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9933334)
I agree that Pioli guys need to be put on notice. I just hope that we're not going overboard. Wouldn't concern me as much if we didn't go down this same road a few years ago to disastrous results. It's not just guys like Baldwin, it's contributors like Winston, Arenas, Albert... allegedly *rumor* McCluster and Hudson as well.

This team seems slightly obsessed with Seahawks, 49ers, Packers, and Eagles players. I just hope that we're picking up guys because they're actually better, and not because of "philosophical" differences that can be ironed out over time.
Winston contributed by spouting off at the mouth, Arenas didn't contribute to shit, Hudson was hurt and hasn't played much until this year, DMC sucks he hasn't done anything since that '10 week 1 PR TD.

Mother****erJones 09-02-2013 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9933334)
I agree that Pioli guys need to be put on notice. I just hope that we're not going overboard. Wouldn't concern me as much if we didn't go down this same road a few years ago to disastrous results. It's not just guys like Baldwin, it's contributors like Winston, Arenas, Albert... allegedly *rumor* McCluster and Hudson as well.

This team seems slightly obsessed with Seahawks, 49ers, Packers, and Eagles players. I just hope that we're picking up guys because they're actually better, and not because of "philosophical" differences that can be ironed out over time.
And all those teams are elite except eagles.

FlaChief58 09-02-2013 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9933334)

This team seems slightly obsessed with Seahawks, 49ers, Packers, and Eagles players.
I think that's a good thing. Scavenging from winning teams (less Eggles) is not a bad way to go for a team that went 2-14 and had clearly given up. They had to take out the trash, but there was only so much they could do from a free agency/draft perspective to help rebuild the roster fast, so they took advantage of having first shot at guys who were cut. As of right now, I like what they're doing

DJ's left nut 09-02-2013 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Mother****erJones (Post 9933344)
Winston contributed by spouting off at the mouth, Arenas didn't contribute to shit, Hudson was hurt and hasn't played much until this year, DMC sucks he hasn't done anything since that '10 week 1 PR TD.
Good deal - another name we can add to the list.

Javier Arenas - also not worth a NCB role for the Kansas City Chiefs.

Remember folks - everyone else in the league has 53 starting caliber players on their roster. It's only the Chiefs that have guys like Arenas "Not contributing shit" for 600 snaps/season. You're a starter or you're crap.

Idiot.

-King- 09-02-2013 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9933231)
This perfectly illustrates my point.

What do you expect? Okay, so both Dunta Robinson and Jalil Brown aren't good enough to be 3rd and 4th corners on our team. Got it.

Let's go get Richard Sherman. He'd be a ****ing dynamite Nickle.

And then we'll get Revis to play in the Dime.

These guys are depth corners. You folks need to Look at the depth corners throughout this league and re-calibrate your definition of 'trash'. Brown isn't great, no, but he's the 4th damn corner. He's going to be better than Parker. He's pretty much the exact same 4th corner that everyone else has. I see absolutely no reason to believe that Parker's going to be better than him.

"Rawr! He sucks! Cut him!" Whatever - that's pretty much the level of player you're looking at when you're talking about anyone from about 45 down on NFL rosters. And Robinson, while not a great CB, is better than most teams are running out there as a NCB.
I agree which is why I don't have any issue with them cutting Brown. They found a 4th corner who fits their system slightly better than Brown. I have no problem with that.

And yeah BossChiefs issue with Robinson makes no sense. Hes better than the nickel corner on atleast 20 teams. And starting corners for the most part don't lose games for a team. How the hell could a nickel corner lose us any?
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RealSNR 09-02-2013 11:41 AM
I would rather have Arenas than Robinson as my primary NCB.

Doesn't get injured. Young. More aggressive. Less fail.

He's got his problems, certainly, and speed guys will practically jog past him if he doesn't get a good push at the line, but it's better than Robinson and his tendency to whiff tackles and make airheaded plays.

Arenas, even as a younger player, is far smarter.

The Bad Guy 09-02-2013 11:58 AM
Robinson is a far more aggressive player than Arenas. I'm not a fan of either but Dunta is a physical guy.

chiefzilla1501 09-02-2013 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9933404)
Robinson is a far more aggressive player than Arenas. I'm not a fan of either but Dunta is a physical guy.
Regardless of who you think is better, it's still head scratching to get rid of Arenas with our CB depth as horrible as it is right now. If any of our top 3 CBs get hurt, Cooper or Parker are next in line. Arenas runs circles around those guys.

DJ's left nut 09-02-2013 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9933404)
Robinson is a far more aggressive player than Arenas. I'm not a fan of either but Dunta is a physical guy.
And he attacks the ball.

I'm not sure where you're getting this, SNR.

Robinson is nothing if not physical. When he's getting beat, it's precisely because of the fact that he's aggressive as hell, both physically and in his approach.

I might agree that I'd prefer Arenas, but only because Arenas' floor is a little higher. We know exactly what we'll get in Arenas and it's a pretty average NCB. Robinson might be an outstanding NCB...but he might also be really bad (oftentimes in the same game). In that position, I think I'd rather have the guy that I know won't take much off the table and is going to give me a steady performance.


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