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DJ's left nut 09-02-2013 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 9933379)
I agree which is why I don't have any issue with them cutting Brown. They found a 4th corner who fits their system slightly better than Brown. I have no problem with that.

And yeah BossChiefs issue with Robinson makes no sense. Hes better than the nickel corner on atleast 20 teams. And starting corners for the most part don't lose games for a team. How the hell could a nickel corner lose us any?
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Yeah, I'm not going to light any candles for Brown.

I think he has more ability than most. I also think I saw a guy that improved with opportunity last year. He was significantly better in the pre-season than many are wanting to give him credit for and had gotten all the way to average out there.

But in the end, I have no problem with them letting him go for Cooper as I think they're probably similarly talented players.

But Parker....c'mon folks, we've been burned by this approach before. "Well I had that guy where I used to be, so he must be better than what I have now".

It's silly to just ignore that this got us into a wee bit of trouble not too terribly long ago. And when I would point it out, folks that are now blasting Pioli at every turn would say "Super Bowl - shutup".

I love this staff, I think they'll do great things here. But cutting Brown to make room for Parker, in a vacuum, makes little sense to me. Will it likely make a different? Nah, I doubt it. But it still makes me take pause.

beach tribe 09-02-2013 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9933416)
And he attacks the ball.

I'm not sure where you're getting this, SNR.

Robinson is nothing if not physical. When he's getting beat, it's precisely because of the fact that he's aggressive as hell, both physically and in his approach.

I might agree that I'd prefer Arenas, but only because Arenas' floor is a little higher. We know exactly what we'll get in Arenas and it's a pretty average NCB. Robinson might be an outstanding NCB...but he might also be really bad (oftentimes in the same game). In that position, I think I'd rather have the guy that I know won't take much off the table and is going to give me a steady performance.

Half the people on here just make shit up and then act like they've broken down film on every player in the NFL.

beach tribe 09-02-2013 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9933422)
Yeah, I'm not going to light any candles for Brown.

I think he has more ability than most. I also think I saw a guy that improved with opportunity last year. He was significantly better in the pre-season than many are wanting to give him credit for and had gotten all the way to average out there.

But in the end, I have no problem with them letting him go for Cooper as I think they're probably similarly talented players.

But Parker....c'mon folks, we've been burned by this approach before. "Well I had that guy where I used to be, so he must be better than what I have now".

It's silly to just ignore that this got us into a wee bit of trouble not too terribly long ago. And when I would point it out, folks that are now blasting Pioli at every turn would say "Super Bowl - shutup".

I love this staff, I think they'll do great things here. But cutting Brown to make room for Parker, in a vacuum, makes little sense to me. Will it likely make a different? Nah, I doubt it. But it still makes me take pause.

In the end Brown was worth squat. At least when Parker was cut other teams actually picked him up.
Brown's career is probably over.

DJ's left nut 09-02-2013 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 9933427)
Half the people on here just make shit up and then act like they've broken down film on every player in the NFL.

I wouldn't count him among them, though.

I'm legitimately curious why he believes Arenas is a more aggressive player. I'm open to persuasion here, but I don't buy it. Maybe the missed tackles? Those were technique problems, not approach. Robinson looks like a guy that goes for the kill shot rather than breaking down.

Robinson's a very aggressive ballplayer. It's kinda what he does.

RealSNR 09-02-2013 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9933416)
And he attacks the ball.

I'm not sure where you're getting this, SNR.

Robinson is nothing if not physical. When he's getting beat, it's precisely because of the fact that he's aggressive as hell, both physically and in his approach.

I might agree that I'd prefer Arenas, but only because Arenas' floor is a little higher. We know exactly what we'll get in Arenas and it's a pretty average NCB. Robinson might be an outstanding NCB...but he might also be really bad (oftentimes in the same game). In that position, I think I'd rather have the guy that I know won't take much off the table and is going to give me a steady performance.

I meant in the press. Robinson takes far more risks, absolutely. And when he was a younger player, he was actually hitting on quite a high percentage of those risks, making him a pretty damn good corner in this league.

I just really don't want to see what I saw in the preseason- nicks and bruises here and there that put his name up on the injury report nearly every goddamn week. Out one week, back the next not 100%, out 2 more weeks, healthy for 3 games, gets injured again.

chiefzilla1501 09-02-2013 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9933422)
Yeah, I'm not going to light any candles for Brown.

I think he has more ability than most. I also think I saw a guy that improved with opportunity last year. He was significantly better in the pre-season than many are wanting to give him credit for and had gotten all the way to average out there.

But in the end, I have no problem with them letting him go for Cooper as I think they're probably similarly talented players.

But Parker....c'mon folks, we've been burned by this approach before. "Well I had that guy where I used to be, so he must be better than what I have now".

It's silly to just ignore that this got us into a wee bit of trouble not too terribly long ago. And when I would point it out, folks that are now blasting Pioli at every turn would say "Super Bowl - shutup".

I love this staff, I think they'll do great things here. But cutting Brown to make room for Parker, in a vacuum, makes little sense to me. Will it likely make a different? Nah, I doubt it. But it still makes me take pause.

I agree. I really don't mind Cooper or cutting Wylie for Hall (though, I hope that wasn't a "tree" move). I don't get the Parker pickup and given that almost all our waiver wire pickups were Seahawks (Packers tree GM), Packers, or Eagles... absolutely fair to ask if we're repeating similar mistakes that got us in trouble in the past

RealSNR 09-02-2013 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 9933427)
Half the people on here just make shit up and then act like they've broken down film on every player in the NFL.

Go **** yourself. Not once did I say, "Watch the tape" or whatever other cliche that those morons use to justify their takes.

beach tribe 09-02-2013 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9933434)
I wouldn't count him among them, though.

I'm legitimately curious why he believes Arenas is a more aggressive player. I'm open to persuasion here, but I don't buy it. Maybe the missed tackles? Those were technique problems, not approach. Robinson looks like a guy that goes for the kill shot rather than breaking down.

Robinson's a very aggressive ballplayer. It's kinda what he does.

I was actually just poking at SNR. I don't count him among them.
He's actually a good poster. :fire:

RealSNR 09-02-2013 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9933437)
I agree. I really don't mind Cooper or cutting Wylie for Hall (though, I hope that wasn't a "tree" move). I don't get the Parker pickup and given that almost all our waiver wire pickups were Seahawks (Packers tree GM), Packers, or Eagles... absolutely fair to ask if we're repeating similar mistakes that got us in trouble in the past

I'm fine with it for now. The only reason we got a lot of these players is because we were first in line on the waiver claim list. We acquired a lot of guys that other teams really wanted.

That's far different from picking up Patriot garbage like Ryan O'Callaghan that nobody wanted at all.

RealSNR 09-02-2013 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 9933441)
I was actually just poking at SNR. I don't count him among them.
He's actually a good poster. :fire:

Oh.

Umm... thanks.

beach tribe 09-02-2013 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9933438)
Go **** yourself. Not once did I say, "Watch the tape" or whatever other cliche that those morons use to justify their takes.

I was just messin wit cha.

beach tribe 09-02-2013 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9933445)
Oh.

Umm... thanks.

We don't always agree, but that has nothing to do with the quality of your posts.

Anyong Bluth 09-02-2013 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 9933279)
Totally agree with all of it, especially the Dunta Robinson part. He WILL cost KC big time. The guy is pure TOAST. He can't play CB anymore. When KC first signed him I thought it was for Safety depth NOT CB. This guy hasn't been the same since his knee injury years ago. I hold my breadth when I see him on the field -

Ya, I think the general consensus is with playing man press and blitzing way more is the way to ease his declining play. But, let's face it, in the NFL today dbs are playing with one hand tied behind their back. The elite guys on the island are still there, but that pool of creme of the crop guys is dwindled as the bar has raised due to rule changes. To make a baseball comparison, it would be like talking about 3, 4, and 5 tool guys. Things like speed, stop start acceleration, lateral agility, physicality / ability to jam, size or at least ability to cover your tall / freak wrs, and the whole mental aspect. That would include read reaction, playing the angles, and craftiness- the little cheats and tricks without drawing the flag.

It reminds me of old guys like Mark Collins, who had veteran savvy to sniff out plays and put himself in position, but in today's game would suffer due to with age comes losing a step. Take a guy like Woodson, coming into the league with all the elite tools physically, and got up and down results when he 1st came in. Luckily, his athleticism held up as learned to apply the mental side and experience as a vet later on and was a better player 5 years in even though he was a physical specimen as a rookie and those early years. Point being, it's a short list of guys that get mental side and are quick to pick "it" up in how to play the position before the physical talent starts to see a diminishing curve trending down.

beach tribe 09-02-2013 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 9933432)
In the end Brown was worth squat. At least when Parker was cut other teams actually picked him up.
Brown's career is probably over.

Just want to know if anyone has heard about him getting picked up?

Sassy Squatch 09-02-2013 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 9933445)
Oh.

Umm... thanks.

Don't worry guy. I think you're a piece of shit. :)


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