Absolutely.

And that INCLUDES guys that will go before 31 and we might need to trade up for, e.g. Jenkins.

Your logic applies to every tackle in the draft, especially the ones the Chiefs might be eyeing. Trading up doesn't guarantee anything at all.

Yea I spend 10 hours a day on CP!

LMAO

I’m running the CP Mock Draft, hence why I’ve been on all week.

Nice try! You had the time to post this, but no rebuttal though, right?

Then they'll have one less pick for a WR, DE, or any other need that arises and they can't fill in free agency.

They may be at the end of the 1st round but they are still cost controlled for five, not four, years.

Those things are much more valuable than you're making them out to be. They simply are.

The difference between picking up a 5th year option vs. a player in free agency, especially when you're talking about 2 first rounders, could be the difference between having enough money for a guy like Trent Williams or Cam Erving.

It's simply not as insignificant as you guys want it to be.

5th year options aren't nearly as valuable as they used to be now that they're performance based instead of draft slot based.

They're still far more cost effective than free agency, when it comes to good players.

They definitely need to hit on draft picks going forward, can't keep having to go into free agency for players.

But it just shows why it's so hard to stay good for so long. Things are against you getting great players.

Not really. Just one Pro Bowl and you're paying transition tag price.

Can we avoid using the term “guarantee”?

To me, it’s silly to try to boil stuff like this down to a “guarantee”...to be honest, the majority of the OTs in this market are better than Fisher was.

That includes OBJ2.

That's fine with me. I didn't create that straw man. I don't believe guarantees exist in the NFL, especially not in the draft, just chances.

It's all about opportunity cost.

What's the point? You'll nitpick every single statement I make instead of engaging in a conversation.

For the record, I haven't been one of the ones on here bitching about not signing anybody. I'm not happy about the off-season but complaining about it non-stop wasn't going to help anything. That also led to the point I was making, that I don't think it's the end of the world if we don't fill every need because I'm not sure this is the year to go all in.

But I truly apologize that you and I don't see eye to eye on every single detail. I'll refrain from offering opinions that are anything less than a rosy outlook on the upcoming season.

You weeks ago:

The Chiefs shouldn’t trade a pick for a proven LT. That’s a sign of bad drafting.

You today:

There’s no way the Chiefs can beat the almighty Rams roster if they’re lucky enough to make the SB!

That’s not nitpicking. That’s pointing out hypocrisy and stupidity.

Also, saying the Chiefs had a terrible 2018 draft, but describing their 2020 draft as “pretty good” goes to show how unrealistic your expectations are and how clueless you really are.

News flash:

When you’re picking 32nd it doesn’t get any ****ing better than our 2020 draft.

I trust Veach and our staffs ability to evaluate talent.

Here’s how it will work and this ISN'T speculation.

We will identify the group of OTs we feel can play in our system at a pro bowl or all pro level. We only have interest in that level of player for group 1. We will run through 20-30 internal mocks to try to identify where those guys will land. We will have a timeline of how we will specialize the training for each of them if we were to pick them so we have a plan in place to develop them.

Before the draft starts, we will have conversations with GMs at certain “sweet spots” to gauge their interest in moving down and identify the spots we can move to and the likely cost to do so. We will also reach out to other teams to do counter intelligence and to give misinformation to try to push other talents up so our guys fall a little more.

Once the draft is underway, we will be patient until it’s necessary to be aggressive..but trust me when I say our aggressiveness to go get the guy we want out of that list will be bold. That time will be when there are 2 of the guys on our list on the board. We’re hoping that doesn’t happen till the 20s, but it could be much sooner and we are willing to use next years first to move up to get the guy we feel can make Pat comfortable in the pocket enough to go through progressions.

Hopefully as the draft nears (within 3-4 days of the draft) we can convince Baltimore to make a realistic deal with us, but at this point that doesn’t seem likely. If it were just the picks, the deal would be done already...but the picks and the contract requires a lot of very limited resources and commitment and there’s a utoff point (like in the silverback negotiations) when the arOI is no longer there.

I don't buy this at all.

If they had the money to sign Trent Williams, they have the money to sign Orlando Brown.

THE issue is the draft picks and only the draft picks. If it were about money, then it would have been done already. In fact, he might have been their first target over Williams simply due to his age.

What the **** is this gimmick, Bosschief?

Cringe. Pure cringe.

It’s not just the money...it’s the premium picks AND the money.

If it’s my call and I could send Baltimore 31 and a third next year that goes to a second if he makes the PB at LT and a first if he makes all pro, I’d do that and sign him to a huge deal in a minute. The kid is extremely talented and proved last year he could play on the left at a high level.

He’s literally made the pro bowl as a right AND left tackle and is 24.

To me, he’s probably worth as much to us as Silverback was if we can get him for just pick 31...slightly less if it costs more than that.

Of course, which is why it isn't bout the money, it's about the picks.

The Ravens might take the #32 pick from the Bucs because they're in the NFC.

There's no way on God's green earth they're taking the #31 pick from KC, their #1 obstacle in the AFC, for a 2-time pro bowler. No way.

It's a no-brainer for the Chiefs. A literal no-brainer. And there's no way the Ravens even consider it short of the Chiefs offering a package of picks that include multiple firsts, IMO.

It’s not about either/or. It’s about the whole package combined. That’s why the Silverback deal was so important. We would have kept all of our picks this year. -still bummed-

Baltimore would be silly to flat out turn down an offer like this if all their looking for is a top 40 pick from another team...

31 this year

A conditional 3rd next year that goes to a second if he makes the pro bowl at LT.

OBJ2 has said he wants to sign a long term extension as part of a trade, so that’s a plus if he will indeed sign a long term extension for 20m per. That would give us super low cap hits the next 2 years and rising cap hits while the cap explodes under the new tv deals and while he’s entering his prime.

I mean...this is a kid that made 2/3 pro bowls and is 24. He could be Pats left tackle his whole career and CEH would love it.

He’s arguably worth 2 firsts if that’s what it takes.

I don’t know that he’s a LT in a pass first offense

TY Hilton back to Colts on 1 year deal per Schefty.

Bummer.

Well the market is pretty bare now.

Chiefs have only so many draft picks

Interesting stuff.

Pretty cool to have an actual insider on the board.

Damn, Lattimer with the breaking news. Wouldn't have put money on that, lol.

TY would have been a nice compliment in this offense. Oh well, onward.

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McAfee got a text from TY where he claimed to have turned down a LOT of money to come back to the Colts.

Veach is drawing a line in the sand on some of these guys with money and I’m fine with it. $8 million guaranteed for a 32 year old WR when you only have around $20 million (and you have to hold back $8 million for the draft) is not going to work.

I told y’all yesterday he would decide today or tomorrow.

He got Indy to up their offer. Good for him.

Meh. Wouldn’t wanna pay him that much.

We’re gonna do some trading at some point, maybe before, maybe after the draft.

Veach isn’t just gonna not improve the roster. But you can do it within reason.

Would we be able to fit Michael Thomas under the cap?

LMAO he had a more lucrative multi year offer from the Ravens. He wasn't deciding between the Chiefs and Colts.

I was pretty clear we were in it a few days ago. Not within the last day or 2.

I posted our deal was 5m with a max of 8. Other teams obviously valued him higher, including the Colts and Ravens.

Try to follow along if you’re going to venture away from the kids table.

Usually I’d say we should look at guys that have underperformed and going into the last year of their rookie deal for a trade, but that draft didn’t have many of those.

Yeah, I'm sorry but I'm not taking an absolute moron that calls a black man 'silverback' unironiccaly all that seriously.

Wait are you trying to make this a racial thing now?

That was his nickname, even if Boss’s constant usage of it was a bit silly.

To be fair, Williams gave himself the name. He even has a tattoo of a Silverback.

Although I am pretty damn impressed you managed to even out cringe Clay when he plays faux insider. That takes a bit of skill.

You can’t seriously be this obtuse...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Veach has helped get the Chiefs to 3 straight AFC Championship games and back-to-back Super Bowls. Trust in Veach because everything will work out. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a></p>&mdash; Chiefs Focus (@ChiefsFocus) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsFocus/status/1374747085543780355?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 24, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Carolina needs ammo to go after Watson.

Send them 31 for Moore.

Actually, his teammates in college gave him the name. Not sure he'd appreciate a bunch of balding old midwestern hicks on a BB calling him that.

Glad we got neither K. Williams or TY. Neither were worth it IMO. They got what they wanted so - nothing to see here move along.

I believe like others have mentioned - I think the Chiefs will make some trade attempt either before or after the draft. We will be alright!

I'm not your dad so do what you want, but doubling down on your racist angle just in an attempt to try and continue to clown on BossChief is kinda weak and petty.

I don’t care about missing out on any of these guys...except silverback.

That signing alone would have exponentially improved this offense.

Racist much?

Lame

Good God man STFU about it already. Your virtue signaling over a faux issue has been acknowledged, move on.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs Twitter: <br>“VeAcH iS a FrAuD” <br>“wOrSt OfFsEaSoN eVeR”<br>“wE’rE gOnNa SuCk” <br><br>The Players: <a href="https://t.co/xnJAL00wWI">pic.twitter.com/xnJAL00wWI</a></p>&mdash; Connor. (@MahomesToKelce) <a href="https://twitter.com/MahomesToKelce/status/1374793665323880462?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 24, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Twitter is literally where the dumbest people on the planet come together.

I don’t get it

He's saying that players are not worried, just chilling and having fun while people are panicking.

dude literally got Goodell to announced him as Silverback at the draft. I know Roger isn't from the midwest and he isn't balding, but if your point was middle aged white guys, well, there you go.

He wears Gorilla necklaces and has Silverback tattoos.

I think he's good with it.

It's a nickname that he's clearly embraced.

It's not the 'N' word, for ****'s sake.

I know this was previously discussed and generally dismissed as a non-starter, but as the offseason progresses is there a possibility of the Chiefs re-signing Fisher to a team friendly one year deal?

For Fisher he can have the opportunity to essentially bet on himself by taking less to return to KC, fully recover from his injury in a familiar setting and then look to capitalize in next year’s free agency market with the expected salary cap jump.

And for the Chiefs they can draft their left tackle of the future and have Fisher as an insurance policy for next season (also Veach did previously indicate he thought Fisher might be ready to return from injury by the start of the season).

Nah, if they actually thought there was a good chance Fisher would be ready to return by the start of the season we wouldn't have cut him. The 12 million in cap savings doesn't outweigh the benefits of having Fisher unless there's a real chance he's not going to be ready.

TMZ - Picture of Trent Williams $3,000 back tattoo -

https://www.tmz.com/2012/07/23/trent...orilla-tattoo/

It is TMZ and picture has TMZ stamp or I would post it here.

Not racist. Trent encourages the nickname.

Trent Williams is a TURD and he used the Chiefs. Time to move on.

Making 500k+ a month will put you in a good mood.

Here’s a good question we haven’t touched on...

Do we really need to sign Okung or Villanueva?

Do we even want to sign one of them?

Okung is undependable and would cost 10-12m. Villanueva is going to be as good in pass protection as a rookie.

Getting Thuney changes my outlook on starting a rookie at LT.

That cap space helps us upgrade at linebacker and defensive end.

If you're gonna trade up or take a LT in the first round, no. Just put him in there day one.

We can't afford to sit around and wait on first and second rounders anymore.

Exactly.

The price tag is relatively cheap for a solid NFL LT.

He was cut because of his health and nothing really more.

Not mine. I'd sign Villanueva and roll with him. Let him benefit by playing next to Thuney. One thing about him is he does not miss games. Do not want a rookie LT to start the season unless it's Sewell. Just my take.

I don't really want to roll with a rookie either but we may not have a choice.

Of course, I'm sure if Andy gets his way, we won't be starting a rookie so they better find somebody because Mike Remmers ain't ****ing it.

I'd start a rookie over anyone left on the market. They all suck.

Rookie's have come in and played well recently all around the league. Hell the Bucs RT was one of the best tackles in football last year as a rookie.

They're probably gonna have to roll with a rookie unless they trade for a vet and pay him and people will probably bitch about that.

Only one thing is guaranteed.

People will bitch no matter what they do. It's CP.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Chiefs are re-signing WR Demarcus Robinson, per source.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1375153812026101761?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

LMAO

ROFL

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Chiefs bring back Demarcus Robinson, which basically equals what the Josh Reynolds signing would have brought.<br><br>Past four years...<br><br>Robinson: 120 rec., 1,415 yards, 11 TDs<br>Reynolds: 113 rec., 1,450 yards, 9 TDs</p>&mdash; Matt Verderame (@MattVerderame) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattVerderame/status/1375155471938621442?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He got paid in blockbuster gift cards and knows the system. Also, he can block.

Given the vets that are left suck and KC probably isn't trading up to take a rookie in the top 15 and the position needs depth, doing both seems prudent.

Feel like since the Chiefs haven't signed any of the LT available by now they are working a trade or going to draft one.

If one of those guys available out there they wa t they don't ****ing wait around forever they just go get him. Especially what they were willing to pay silvercock. They could get one of those guys for less and be done with it. They don't want them.

It's gonna be a trade/trade up or draft at 31.

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Don’t know why, but feels like we’re gonna take a swing at something with a trade.

Like a 2nd for Michel Thomas or something

Don’t **** with me.

You do that and find a way to draft Cosmi...the offense just became immortal.

A 2nd as in a second rounder for Michael Thomas? A top 3 or 4 WR in the league? WTF man.

Allen Robinson!!!!

Nate Taylor seems to think they’ll just roll into the draft with what they’ve got and have pretty much locked in to taking a tackle in round one

That’s because this draft is so deep at OL. We’ve never seen a class like this and last years was really good.

This happened with the DL when we drafted Chris Jones. There’s going to be a stud fall simply due to volume and teams not needing that position.

I’ve seen a couple of takes that have said that if Fisher was a rookie in this class, that he would be between Cosmi and Eichenberg. Not really that bad if we come out at 31-40 with a Fisher.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Only FBS OL with 90+ pass and run blocking grades:<br>�� Christian Darrisaw, Virginia Tech<br>�� Brady Christensen, BYU <a href="https://t.co/DHq5ZN7i6M">pic.twitter.com/DHq5ZN7i6M</a></p>&mdash; PFF Draft (@PFF_College) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1375642070212349953?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

If we didn't have Branden Albert in 2013, I don't think Fisher would have been nearly as bad at LT as he was at RT that year.