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Megatron96 01-15-2023 05:33 PM

Think that's INC

FlaChief58 01-15-2023 05:33 PM

No int

Easy 6 01-15-2023 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crayzkirk (Post 16738946)
Am I a bad person if I think Cousins SUCKS?

NO

Megatron96 01-15-2023 05:35 PM

DET was stupid if they couldn't figure out how to use Hockenson.

Buehler445 01-15-2023 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 16738947)
hate those cartoon figures

Fox has sucked for decades. Do they still have that stupid dancing robot?

displacedinMN 01-15-2023 05:36 PM

The Vikes horn I get


The Train horn in Atlanta...I dont get

MahomesMagic 01-15-2023 05:36 PM

Cousins might suck but consider we just watched a game with Skylar Thompson at QB.

Kiimo 01-15-2023 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crayzkirk (Post 16738946)
Am I a bad person if I think Cousins SUCKS?

Have him on your fantasy team some time, it's infuriating.

displacedinMN 01-15-2023 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 16738961)
Fox has sucked for decades. Do they still have that stupid dancing robot?

i think so

displacedinMN 01-15-2023 05:37 PM

Def not set?

Rain Man 01-15-2023 05:37 PM

Randy Moss has put on some weight. Touchdown, though.

Kiimo 01-15-2023 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 16738961)
Fox has sucked for decades. Do they still have that stupid dancing robot?

They should have M3GAN walk in and shove a pike in its stomach

DJ's left nut 01-15-2023 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crayzkirk (Post 16738946)
Am I a bad person if I think Cousins SUCKS?

You're not a bad person. You're just not right.

Cousins is probably a top 6-8 quarterback in the league.

I'll never understand how many people treat a guy with his resume like he's Matt Cassel. The guy can throw the football.

Demonpenz 01-15-2023 05:39 PM

Hall of famer Randy moss

suzzer99 01-15-2023 05:40 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dolphins on 4th and 1 with 3 seconds left on playclock <a href="https://t.co/zfn6OlbU4f">pic.twitter.com/zfn6OlbU4f</a></p>&mdash; Le5-6 (@deepyy_) <a href="https://twitter.com/deepyy_/status/1614740129490378754?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 15, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

notorious 01-15-2023 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16738969)
The guy can throw the football.

It's just that he throws it to the other team at crucial moments in games.

Kiimo 01-15-2023 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16738969)
Cousins is probably a top 6-8 quarterback in the league.



what



lmfao



not even Vikings fans think this omg

Megatron96 01-15-2023 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16738969)
You're not a bad person. You're just not right.

Cousins is probably a top 6-8 quarterback in the league.

I'll never understand how many people treat a guy with his resume like he's Matt Cassel. The guy can throw the football.

You don't think he's basically Derek Carr? I'm pretty sure he's Derek Carr, slightly less cursed by his own inability to improvise successfully.

Megatron96 01-15-2023 05:42 PM

McD would call a trick play right here from the shotgun

Easy 6 01-15-2023 05:43 PM

Breida gutted that OUT

Megatron96 01-15-2023 05:43 PM

GREAT PLAY BY BRIEDA

DJ's left nut 01-15-2023 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 16738974)
It's just that he throws it to the other team at crucial moments in games.

Can't improvise. So yeah, he's the kind of guy who will have a few more big mistakes than others because you can dial up aggressive/new shit at key moments and fluster him.

But he had 8 4th quarter comebacks this season. He can't have been out there stepping on his dick every week. He just never gets credit for the times he does well.

smithandrew051 01-15-2023 05:43 PM

I feel like this game is going to have a crazy finish. Hail Mary for the win or something like that.

ChiliConCarnage 01-15-2023 05:43 PM

Even when the Vikes nail the play they can't get a stop

Frazod 01-15-2023 05:44 PM

I'm fairly surprised this game is competitive. Really thought the Vikes were smoke and mirrors.

DJ's left nut 01-15-2023 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16738976)
You don't think he's basically Derek Carr? I'm pretty sure he's Derek Carr, slightly less cursed by his own inability to improvise successfully.

I think he's a better version of Derek Carr.

Same type of player but better at it.

Megatron96 01-15-2023 05:44 PM

Nice throw, dipshit.

Pepe Silvia 01-15-2023 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 16738985)
I'm fairly surprised this game is competitive. Really thought the Vikes were smoke and mirrors.

Jefferson is the real deal.

Megatron96 01-15-2023 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16738986)
I think he's a better version of Derek Carr.

Same type of player but better at it.


that's kind of an awful description for a NFL QB. Just saying.

DJ's left nut 01-15-2023 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16738975)
what



lmfao



not even Vikings fans think this omg

Gimme 8.

Because you're gonna have to include guys like Russ or Rodgers or Lamar or Dak.

And those guys aren't better than Cousins.

Coach 01-15-2023 05:46 PM

Vikings got lucky. That's a disaster.

Frazod 01-15-2023 05:46 PM

That was nearly disastrous.

Kman34 01-15-2023 05:47 PM

Strange to see other teams struggle with fumbles on STs… Weird.. It’s like it happens to everyone..

DJ's left nut 01-15-2023 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16738989)
that's kind of an awful description for a NFL QB. Just saying.

But it isn't.

It's the 'HoF or he sucks!' mentality.

Carr is fine. He's not great but he'll go somewhere and be an upgrade on what they had. He's competent.

Cousins is better than him at the same style of play.

There aren't that many guys in the league better at playing QB than he is and it's all relative. He takes more shit than he deserves.

mr. tegu 01-15-2023 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 16738972)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dolphins on 4th and 1 with 3 seconds left on playclock <a href="https://t.co/zfn6OlbU4f">pic.twitter.com/zfn6OlbU4f</a></p>— Le5-6 (@deepyy_) <a href="https://twitter.com/deepyy_/status/1614740129490378754?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 15, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


LMAO

Rain Man 01-15-2023 05:49 PM

Wow. Bud Grant? I haven't seen him in about 45 years.

displacedinMN 01-15-2023 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 16739000)
Wow. Bud Grant? I haven't seen him in about 45 years.

Still kicking. Looking good. I believe he still ice fishes every winter

cdcox 01-15-2023 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 16739001)
Still kicking. Looking good. I believe he still ice fishes every winter

True Viking.

Rain Man 01-15-2023 05:52 PM

Jeepers. I mean, he coached the Vikings against us in Super Bowl IV.

GloucesterChief 01-15-2023 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frazod (Post 16738985)
I'm fairly surprised this game is competitive. Really thought the Vikes were smoke and mirrors.

Giants aren't anything special either.

smithandrew051 01-15-2023 05:53 PM

Ouch. That looked painful.

displacedinMN 01-15-2023 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 16739004)
Jeepers. I mean, he coached the Vikings against us in Super Bowl IV.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bud_Grant

He is 95

Megatron96 01-15-2023 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16738997)
But it isn't.

It's the 'HoF or he sucks!' mentality.

Carr is fine. He's not great but he'll go somewhere and be an upgrade on what they had. He's competent.

Cousins is better than him at the same style of play.

There aren't that many guys in the league better at playing QB than he is and it's all relative. He takes more shit than he deserves.

Ok, we're going to be serious about this. no problem.

Imho, I think Cousins is right-in-the-middle NFL average. Like 16th overall. Carr is slightly worse overall, though he probably has a better arm, and might be better in a couple other areas. Call it 17th, maybe. But the curse thing drops him below Cousins. Dak is better than both, by a hare/hair/whatever because the DAL curse isn't a strong as the Carr curse, plus the DAL curse isn't specific to DAk, just the entire organization. And he's just slightly better overall than Cousins. So, Dak=14 or 15?

But Carr is cursed, so he's always the worst of the three. That's the cold-sober scientific analysis of the three. Well, there was at least one Scotch in there, but mostly, like 50.0000000000000000000000001% sober.

Pepe Silvia 01-15-2023 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 16739001)
Still kicking. Looking good. I believe he still ice fishes every winter

Was Grumpy Old Men based on him?

displacedinMN 01-15-2023 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pepe Silvia (Post 16739010)
Was Grumpy Old Men based on him?

Ha. but I do not think so

displacedinMN 01-15-2023 05:56 PM

hockinson the man today

Megatron96 01-15-2023 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 16739016)
hockinson the man today

No. DET traded him, so he must suck.

mkp785 01-15-2023 05:57 PM

Detroit was stupid to trade Hock

TLO 01-15-2023 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99 (Post 16738972)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Dolphins on 4th and 1 with 3 seconds left on playclock <a href="https://t.co/zfn6OlbU4f">pic.twitter.com/zfn6OlbU4f</a></p>&mdash; Le5-6 (@deepyy_) <a href="https://twitter.com/deepyy_/status/1614740129490378754?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 15, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is hilarious

DJ's left nut 01-15-2023 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16739009)
Ok, we're going to be serious about this. no problem.

Imho, I think Cousins is right-in-the-middle NFL average. Like 16th overall. Carr is slightly worse overall, though he probably has a better arm, and might be better in a couple other areas. Call it 17th, maybe. But the curse thing drops him below Cousins. Dak is better than both, by a hare/hair/whatever because the DAL curse isn't a strong as the Carr curse, and he's just slightly better overall than Cousins. So, Dak=14 or 15?

But Carr is cursed, so he's always the worst of the three. That's the cold-sober scientific analysis of the three. Well, there was at least one Scotch in there, but mostly, like 50.0000000000000000000000001% sober.

Mahomes
Burrow
Allen
Hurts
Herbert

That's my list of guys I think are definitively better than Cousins.

He's in a group of another 5ish guys who, due to consistency, track record or age, just can't be said to be OBVIOUSLY better than him, IMO. Some are, some aren't, but they're all pick your poison guys at the same level as him.

Dude threw for 4900 yards not too long ago. And he's good for about 4200 yards, 30 scores, a 68% completion% and 100 passer rating pretty much like clockwork. He's been REALLY consistent over the last 6-7 years.

Guys good. Has been for a long time.

suzzer99 01-15-2023 06:03 PM

Someone’s going to get their spine broken by a giant O-lineman slamming into the pile like that, and then the NFL will start enforcing the rule again.

Pablo 01-15-2023 06:04 PM

Dummies

ChiefsCountry 01-15-2023 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16739022)
Mahomes
Burrow
Allen
Hurts
Herbert

That's my list of guys I think are definitively better than Cousins.

He's in a group of another 5ish guys who, due to consistency, track record or age, just can't be said to be OBVIOUSLY better than him, IMO. Some are, some aren't, but they're all pick your poison guys at the same level as him.

Dude threw for 4900 yards not too long ago. And he's good for about 4200 yards, 30 scores, a 68% completion% and 100 passer rating pretty much like clockwork. He's been REALLY consistent over the last 6-7 years.

Guys good. Has been for a long time.

Cousins is basically Trent Green. Good but not great. Still a top 10ish QB.

comochiefsfan 01-15-2023 06:08 PM

Anyone else get Alex Smith era Chiefs vibes from these Vikings?

The roster is pretty much there. Plenty of weapons on offense. they’re just missing the elite QB to make them a legit contender.

Insert an elite QB on that team and they’re one of the best 2-3 teams in the league.

Megatron96 01-15-2023 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16739022)
Mahomes
Burrow
Allen
Hurts
Herbert

That's my list of guys I think are definitively better than Cousins.

He's in a group of another 5ish guys who, due to consistency, track record or age, just can't be said to be OBVIOUSLY better than him, IMO. Some are, some aren't, but they're all pick your poison guys at the same level as him.

Dude threw for 4900 yards not too long ago. And he's good for about 4200 yards, 30 scores, a 68% completion% and 100 passer rating pretty much like clockwork. He's been REALLY consistent over the last 6-7 years.

Guys good. Has been for a long time.

Eh. I think about it kind of the same, but also i add in, "if I had to have a game, in prime time, for all the marbles, which QB would i pick?"

And Cousins doesn't get very high on that list. I know without looking anything up that I'd take Rodgers and Stafford (if healthy, and all other things being equal) before I even thought about taking Cousins. But that's me.

Easy 6 01-15-2023 06:10 PM

Daboll is awesome with these shallow crossers

Backs, ends, receivers are all getting turns

MahomesIsTheMVP 01-15-2023 06:11 PM

Daboll/Kafka have turned Daniel Jones into a pretty nice QB.

Not elite but definitely serviceable.

Megatron96 01-15-2023 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 16739036)
Anyone else get Alex Smith era Chiefs vibes from these Vikings?

The roster is pretty much there. Plenty of weapons on offense. they’re just missing the elite QB to make them a legit contender.

Insert an elite QB on that team and they’re one of the best 2-3 teams in the league.

i don't know. I'd probably take Cousins before Alex, in a big game. Cousins will at least take shots in big moments; Alex was too much the conservative game manager for that.

Red Dawg 01-15-2023 06:13 PM

Jones feels reborn. He's looks pretty good.

Kiimo 01-15-2023 06:14 PM

Imagine if the Giants had Toney

crayzkirk 01-15-2023 06:15 PM

Yeah, not fair to say Cousins sucks... He's a little more risky than Alex Smith was. Also has a lot of talent around him.

Megatron96 01-15-2023 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16739051)
Imagine if the Giants had Toney

I bet they do.

Iconic 01-15-2023 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16739041)
Eh. I think about it kind of the same, but also i add in, "if I had to have a game, in prime time, for all the marbles, which QB would i pick?"

And Cousins doesn't get very high on that list. I know without looking anything up that I'd take Rodgers and Stafford (if healthy, and all other things being equal) before I even thought about taking Cousins. But that's me.

would throw in brady and russ as well to be completely honest. ignoring the broncos debacle which is a combination of multiple factors russ was generally a 'when the lights are on' kind of player for the hawks. yeah he'd blow a game or two but he also had the ability to pull magic out of his ass pretty often... and brady even at this stage doesn't need much explaining.

DJ's left nut 01-15-2023 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 16739032)
Cousins is basically Trent Green. Good but not great. Still a top 10ish QB.

I almost included in that post "take away Mahomes and Cousins is the best QB we would've had since Lenny..."

Decided I didn't feel like kicking that particular hornets nest.

MahomesIsTheMVP 01-15-2023 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Dawg (Post 16739049)
Jones feels reborn. He's looks pretty good.

It’s amazing what good coaching can do for a QB.

MahomesMagic 01-15-2023 06:17 PM

Go for it.

Easy 6 01-15-2023 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16739051)
Imagine if the Giants had Toney

THE GOBLIN IS OURS

displacedinMN 01-15-2023 06:17 PM

ouch

SupDock 01-15-2023 06:18 PM

Did he land in bounds?

Easy 6 01-15-2023 06:19 PM

Barkley with the man strenf

MahomesMagic 01-15-2023 06:19 PM

Giants are using Hodgins as a possession 1 WR after grabbing him off the Bills practice squad.

Bearcat 01-15-2023 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16738997)
But it isn't.

It's the 'HoF or he sucks!' mentality.

Carr is fine. He's not great but he'll go somewhere and be an upgrade on what they had. He's competent.

Cousins is better than him at the same style of play.

There aren't that many guys in the league better at playing QB than he is and it's all relative. He takes more shit than he deserves.

Yeah, the difference between a Mahomes/Burrow/Allen offense looking great and looking like ass is a pretty fine line in itself, much less a "bottom 29" QB... the drop off in execution and consistency doesn't even have to be that great, and your pretty-good QB's offense can look like a dumpster fire.

I'm definitely guilty of that "HoF or sucks"mentality at times, but a game like this helps, where it's been pretty damn solid. There's just sssoooo... much... bad football during the regular season and WC round, after a while it all looks like garbage if one of the top few guys isn't playing.

Mecca 01-15-2023 06:19 PM

The Giants wanna win to make the NFC playoffs more terrible.

Bearcat 01-15-2023 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16739069)
The Giants wanna win to make the NFC playoffs more terrible.

They look entertaining to me. :shrug:

Granted, this is more like two 9-win teams playing than a 13-win team being upset.

Easy 6 01-15-2023 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 16739069)
The Giants wanna win to make the NFC playoffs more terrible.

You think so?

I think they might shake things up...

Megatron96 01-15-2023 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 16739057)
would throw in brady and russ as well to be completely honest. ignoring the broncos debacle which is a combination of multiple factors russ was generally a 'when the lights are on' kind of player for the hawks. yeah he'd blow a game or two but he also had the ability to pull magic out of his ass pretty often... and brady even at this stage doesn't need much explaining.

i can't include Russ in any conversation about good QBs at this point. I know what I've said recently about not giving recency bias too much consierdation, but this is an outlier case. Russ was terrible beyond explanation this season, and it will take an epic rebound before he climbs past the 32nd ranking in my book.

Brady is weird. Take that game early in the season when he orchestrated those two drives to win that game; he looked like prime Brady. Then the next week, nah. Look at his arm motion in those two drives; he looks like a top-tier QB throwing darts. The next game though, his arm looks slow, there's a noticeable lack of zip . . .

If he has that arm from those two drives, okay, he's better than Cousins. Without it, maybe not.

mr. tegu 01-15-2023 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 16739036)
Anyone else get Alex Smith era Chiefs vibes from these Vikings?

The roster is pretty much there. Plenty of weapons on offense. they’re just missing the elite QB to make them a legit contender.

Insert an elite QB on that team and they’re one of the best 2-3 teams in the league.


They are much closer to the Trent Green Chiefs with that defense.

KCUnited 01-15-2023 06:26 PM

Daboll is a wizard

Giants we’re playing a 1950s Big 10 offense earlier this season and now they’re chucking it around in what looks to be a shootout by NFC standards.

FlaChief58 01-15-2023 06:28 PM

Ruh-roh

Buehler445 01-15-2023 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16739058)
I almost included in that post "take away Mahomes and Cousins is the best QB we would've had since Lenny..."

Decided I didn't feel like kicking that particular hornets nest.

I'd probably rather take Trent, but you have yourself an argument.


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