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AustinChief 01-12-2011 01:19 PM

so in a few months... 48% of browser usage(Chrome, Firefox, Opera, etc) will not support h.264 versions of HTML5.

I find it hard to imagine h.264 will survive this kind of pressure.

irishjayhawk 01-12-2011 10:14 PM

http://daringfireball.net/2011/01/simple_questions

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Regarding Google’s stated explanation for dropping H.264 support in Chrome:

Though H.264 plays an important role in video, as our goal is to enable open innovation, support for the codec will be removed and our resources directed towards completely open codec technologies.

These changes will occur in the next couple months but we are announcing them now to give content publishers and developers using HTML <video> an opportunity to make any necessary changes to their sites.

In addition to supporting H.264, Chrome currently bundles an embedded version of Adobe’s closed source and proprietary Flash Player plugin. If H.264 support is being removed to “enable open innovation”, will Flash Player support be dropped as well? If not, why?

Android currently supports H.264. Will this support be removed from Android? If not, why not?

YouTube uses H.264 to encode video. Presumably, YouTube will be re-encoding its entire library using WebM. When this happens, will YouTube’s support for H.264 be dropped, to “enable open innovation”? If not, why not?

Do you expect companies like Netflix, Amazon, Vimeo, Major League Baseball, and anyone else who currently streams H.264 to dual-encode all of their video using WebM? If not, how will Chrome users watch this content other than by resorting to Flash Player’s support for H.264 playback?

Who is happy about this?
Pretty much all of that and what Rick said.


It's also hilarious that people attack Apple for a vertical product line in which they control everything. Yet, at the same time, Google is doing THE EXACT SAME THING. Somehow though, they've managed to convince people that they're a) "not evil" and b) still "open" though clearly not.

AustinChief 01-13-2011 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by irishjayhawk (Post 7350551)
http://daringfireball.net/2011/01/simple_questions



Pretty much all of that and what Rick said.


It's also hilarious that people attack Apple for a vertical product line in which they control everything. Yet, at the same time, Google is doing THE EXACT SAME THING. Somehow though, they've managed to convince people that they're a) "not evil" and b) still "open" though clearly not.

except that WebM/Theora is OPEN.. h.264 isn't...

This is EXACTLY the kind of mess I told you would keep HTML5 from being fully implemented in a "quick" time frame.

Like it or not, Flash isn't going anywhere for awhile... and even if HTML5 makes a huge leap in the next year... Apple is going to need to change its policy to keep up since I don't see HTML5 implementations of h.264 lasting another 12 months.

I was hoping Honeycomb would be out by now and the Android tablets would be a viable alternative... but right now the only tablets that are FULLY functional are Windows based... I have one and it works GREAT but is exactly what you would expect... heavy and bloated.

I think we are still a solid 6 months before the truly mature tablets hit the market. Next Christmas should see a FLOOD of fantastic devices.

Apple is going to need to hit a major home run with the iPad part deux if they don't want to see the same massive erosion of market share that is occurring in the mobile space.

Silock 01-13-2011 12:50 AM

I don't think Apple cares about market share, given that they currently have the second highest market cap of any company in the world right now.

AustinChief 01-13-2011 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Silock (Post 7350906)
I don't think Apple cares about market share, given that they currently have the second highest market cap of any company in the world right now.

Pretty sure they DO care.. if they don't then they are morons. When Android tops out over 50% (and it will), where does that leave Apple? Assuming that RIM holds onto a good portion of the enterprise market... Apple could get relegated to the 5-10% niche that it holds in desktop/laptop computing. In a future where EVERYONE has a smartphone, that's not where they want to be.

Silock 01-13-2011 02:42 AM

I don't think they will get that low. They still have more phones out there than Android, although Android is catching up. Opening up to Verizon will make that even better.

People have been talking about iPhone and iPod and iPad killers ever since these devices came out, and it's yet to kill any of the above.

Silock 01-13-2011 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The Rick (Post 7348737)
Here's an interesting take from a guy known as "Znu" on Slashdot:

I like this response, too:

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1. In addition to supporting H.264, Chrome currently bundles an embedded version of Adobe’s closed source and proprietary Flash Player plugin. If H.264 support is being removed to “enable open innovation”, will Flash Player support be dropped as well? If not, why?

2. Android currently supports H.264. Will this support be removed from Android? If not, why not?

3. YouTube uses H.264 to encode video. Presumably, YouTube will be re-encoding its entire library using WebM. When this happens, will YouTube’s support for H.264 be dropped, to “enable open innovation”? If not, why not?

4. Do you expect companies like Netflix, Amazon, Vimeo, Major League Baseball, and anyone else who currently streams H.264 to dual-encode all of their video using WebM? If not, how will Chrome users watch this content other than by resorting to Flash Player’s support for H.264 playback?

5. Who is happy about this?

WoodDraw 01-13-2011 08:38 AM

I just got back from travelling for a bit and there was a huge uptick of people with iPads. I've said before that it'd be invaluable as a travel tool, and I could really see that this time.

I'm going to wait for the Honeycomb tablets and iPad2 to come out, but I think I'm ready to dive in. Either that, or I need to buy a lighter laptop. ;)

NewChief 01-13-2011 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by WoodDraw (Post 7351153)
I just got back from travelling for a bit and there was a huge uptick of people with iPads. I've said before that it'd be invaluable as a travel tool, and I could really see that this time.

I'm going to wait for the Honeycomb tablets and iPad2 to come out, but I think I'm ready to dive in. Either that, or I need to buy a lighter laptop. ;)

I see them everywhere now. Last night, we went out to dinner and a couple's baby was sitting in his high chair, watching a movie on theirs (sort of obnoxious actually).

AustinChief 01-24-2011 05:11 PM

IF (big if) Motorola's claims are accurate and they actually release in 3 weeks...

The XOOM is about to take a CLEAR lead as the best tablet on the market...

http://techland.time.com/2011/01/24/...elease-at-700/

Personally, I'll wait for the next version of Android (ice cream sandwich, due out mid-2011)and compare it to the new Palm tablets which have by far the best UI on the market... although if they hit a home run with Honeycomb, I may jump in sooner.

irishjayhawk 01-24-2011 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 7380907)
IF (big if) Motorola's claims are accurate and they actually release in 3 weeks...

The XOOM is about to take a CLEAR lead as the best tablet on the market...

http://techland.time.com/2011/01/24/...elease-at-700/

Personally, I'll wait for the next version of Android (ice cream sandwich, due out mid-2011)and compare it to the new Palm tablets which have by far the best UI on the market... although if they hit a home run with Honeycomb, I may jump in sooner.

That said, I think $700 may be pricing itself a tad high. It's rare that Apple could win a pricing war.

AustinChief 01-24-2011 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by irishjayhawk (Post 7381037)
That said, I think $700 may be pricing itself a tad high. It's rare that Apple could win a pricing war.

Umm, it's cheaper than the 32GB iPad 3G... yes, the iPad without 3G starts at $500... but that's not exactly a fair comparison...

Again, I'll wait and see when it is actually on the market... so far I have been impressed with Android 3.0... but I need to have it in my hands before I declare it the far superior OS.

WoodDraw 01-30-2011 02:44 PM

Google is holding an Android event on Tuesday. No word if they'll just be demoing Honeycomb, or making new announcements too, but I'm looking forward to it. Not just to see Honeycomb in action, but also hopefully to get some news on the general Android direction.

They badly need to make upgrades to the Market. It remains a joke. Also, how can you launch a tablet device with no native market for music and, especially, tv shows and movies. I suspect you can't. News on that, maybe?

Also, how will Gingerbread and Honeycomb integrate? Will Android for tablets and phones split, or will Ice Cream Sandwich bring the two markets back to one?

WoodDraw 02-01-2011 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by WoodDraw (Post 7393275)
They badly need to make upgrades to the Market. It remains a joke. Also, how can you launch a tablet device with no native market for music and, especially, tv shows and movies. I suspect you can't. News on that, maybe?

Also, how will Gingerbread and Honeycomb integrate? Will Android for tablets and phones split, or will Ice Cream Sandwich bring the two markets back to one?

I don't want to say I'm brilliant, or have any special abilities, but...if others said such things....

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/01/g...announced-tom/

|Zach| 02-02-2011 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by kaplin42 (Post 6487023)
But Pretty much this thing will be a nice piece of overpriced FAIL!!!



No Multitasking = Biggest fail ever. That alone will kill this PoS.

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Originally Posted by |Zach| (Post 6487553)
Betcha anything you are wrong.

Heh.


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