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BigRedChief 07-06-2012 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by VAChief (Post 8722477)
I doubt that would do it now. Cox and Miller both are flailing. Adams might be attractive to the Brewers, but I doubt the Phillies would be interested unless they think they can find someone to take Howard and his massive albatross of a deal.

I don't see a problem with dealing any of them if you think you can have at least a 75% chance of keeping them. Cox is going nowhere here, Adams may have a tough time finding a place regularly here as well (if Craig can finally stay healthy). Once Beltran leaves that opens up a spot for Taveras keeping Craig on the infield.

I wouldn't mind seeing if Luhnow would let Wandy go for Cox, Greene and a lesser tier pitching prospect. He loved Greene when he was here.
I agree that Craig and Taveras seem to be the RF/1B of the future. But ya never know. How many times has Craig been injured already?

Mortgaging the future for a rental is only for the deperate, this is the last year we will compete for a long time teams. The brewers sold all their top talent and what did they get? smoked by the Cards. Philly went after Lee and got smoked by the Cards.

Screw trading our blue chips for rentals.

Rams Fan 07-06-2012 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by VAChief (Post 8722477)
I doubt that would do it now. Cox and Miller both are flailing. Adams might be attractive to the Brewers, but I doubt the Phillies would be interested unless they think they can find someone to take Howard and his massive albatross of a deal.
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Not really, since Adams just hurt his elbow.

Rams Fan 07-06-2012 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 8722597)
I agree that Craig and Taveras seem to be the RF/1B of the future. But ya never know. How many times has Craig been injured already?

Mortgaging the future for a rental is only for the deperate, this is the last year we will compete for a long time teams. The brewers sold all their top talent and what did they get? smoked by the Cards. Philly went after Lee and got smoked by the Cards.

Screw trading our blue chips for rentals.
Cliff Lee was signed for as a free agent in his 2nd go around in Philly.

DJ's left nut 07-08-2012 01:34 PM
Shelby Miller:

2.1 IP, 3ER, 4BB. According to Strauss, scouts aren't at all impressed.

Just keep 'staying the course' with this kid. Hell, might as well at this point, we probably couldn't get a decent bullpen arm for him.

The time to trade him was 3 weeks ago and yes, we absolutely should've traded him.

O.city 07-08-2012 02:02 PM
Think it was Jocketty that said it, but minor league prospects serve two purposes.

Jewish Rabbi 07-08-2012 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 8722597)
I agree that Craig and Taveras seem to be the RF/1B of the future. But ya never know. How many times has Craig been injured already?

Mortgaging the future for a rental is only for the deperate, this is the last year we will compete for a long time teams. The brewers sold all their top talent and what did they get? smoked by the Cards. Philly went after Lee and got smoked by the Cards.

Screw trading our blue chips for rentals.
Trading two prospects isn't mortgaging the future. That's not in any way similar to what the Brewers have done the last few years. Remember, it was multiple trades that wiped them out, not just one.

And as others pointed out, your faith in these prospects becoming superstars may be misguided. Would you have been arguing this hard against trading Reyes, Rasmus, or Bryan Anderson when they were "can't miss"?

O.city 07-08-2012 02:07 PM
If by some chance you could still lop Miller in a deal to get Greinke or Hamels and lock them into a deal, you jump at it.

O.city 07-08-2012 02:09 PM
Joe Strauss ‏@JoeStrauss
SD, NYY, CWS and Cubs scouting this series at Busch. SD seems a particularly interesting attendee.


Who are they all there for?

OnTheWarpath15 07-08-2012 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8725821)
Shelby Miller:

2.1 IP, 3ER, 4BB. According to Strauss, scouts aren't at all impressed.

Just keep 'staying the course' with this kid. Hell, might as well at this point, we probably couldn't get a decent bullpen arm for him.

The time to trade him was 3 weeks ago and yes, we absolutely should've traded him.
I was in attendance last night - front row seat behind the Redbirds dugout.

Never hit higher than 93 on the gun. Did have 4 strikeouts, and was getting squeezed a bit. Didn't look impressive in the least.

Peralta, the Brewers phenom is exactly what was expected of Miller coming up. This kid was filthy. Hitting 97-98 on the gun, 93 on his slider.

O.city 07-08-2012 02:19 PM
Looks like we are gonna have to go get some bullpen help somewhere.

Frazod 07-08-2012 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8725902)
Looks like we are gonna have to go get some bullpen help somewhere.
Ya think? :banghead:

Pasta Little Brioni 07-08-2012 02:29 PM
What did those turds do today? Was out gettin some sun.

DJ's left nut 07-08-2012 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by PGM (Post 8725932)
What did those turds do today? Was out gettin some sun.
Matheny thought Cleto was the place to turn when protecting a 1-run lead.

It wasn't.

Marte was kind enough to give up a 3R HR after Cleto put two men on without recording an out.

This bullpen isn't good, but Matheny is also particularly bad at managing it. Going to Cleto in that situation was asinine.

O.city 07-08-2012 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 8725940)
Matheny thought Cleto was the place to turn when protecting a 1-run lead.

It wasn't.

Marte was kind enough to give up a 3R HR after Cleto put two men on without recording an out.

This bullpen isn't good, but Matheny is also particularly bad at managing it. Going to Cleto in that situation was asinine.
This.



We need a right arm that doesn't suck shit in the dugout.

O.city 07-08-2012 02:59 PM
Well we've pissed away this series not being able to score a damn run.


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