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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 11924621)

Throw in Wil Myers while you're at it, because it would be pretty funny if Myers came back to KC with Shields and finally became the stud everyone envisioned.

It makes no sense, bit I'm still infatuated with the idea of bringing Myers back.

He cried about playing CF, which is fine, but he is 24 and wants to sit his ass at 1B. Pathetic. He was a shitty fielder who dogged it, so he's rolling his old bones over to a spot normally reserved for old dogs. He's lazy and indisciplined in every facet of the game.

Dayton sold high on that show pony.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 11924584)

But they're also taking on Infante's salary, no? So Shields and the $65 million he's owed over the next 3 seasons comes off the books (offset to $50 million for your cash kicker) but the $16 million Infante is owed over the next 2 comes back over.

So the Padres get $34 million in salary relief. They also only get 2 years of a replacement level player vs. 3 years of, what, 2.0-2.5 WAR/season pitching? Conservatively let's say Shields is probably a 2 WAR pitcher for the next 3 seasons, yielding a total of 6 WAR.

It's close. If I'm the Padres I probably don't make that deal because at the very least they're only dealing with a 3 year obligation. If you can get wins at 6 million/win share on a term of only 3 years, you're doing okay. Hell, most models put it at about $7 million/win now (and some even at $8 million per). Most of the time you'll have to take a substantially larger gamble than that by going to 4-5 years. I also think there's a decent chance that Shields is more of a 2.5 WAR pitcher over those 3 years, shifting the calculus pretty strongly against SD.

It would be an offer worth making, but if I'm SD, I wouldn't give the $15 million kicker. I figure if I'm taking on Infante, you're getting Shields for 3/$50 million (because I'm getting nothing back in Infante; dude is straight up replacement level). If Shields is a 2 WAR/season pitcher, you're looking at the higher side of the wins/season $$, but that would be expected due to the fairly short term.

Good point. I miscalculated there. KC would probably have to include a quality piece to make that work from San Diego's side. It also depends, I guess, on how desperate Preller is to shed that salary.

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11924825)

Padres are desperate.

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 11924520)

I wonder if KC would consider a bad contract swap with San Diego, or Vice-Versa.

San Diego gets Infante plus a prospect of minor value, KC gets Shields and $15 million over the life of that deal.

KC gets a guy who can be a No. 3-type starter for three more years, San Diego gets $48 million in salary relief.

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief (Post 11924621)

Throw in Wil Myers while you're at it, because it would be pretty funny if Myers came back to KC with Shields and finally became the stud everyone envisioned.

And we can bring back Greinke, Soria and Beltran too. Too bad Affeldt retired. Oh yeah Bautista too. Then we can sit him on the Bench every day out of spite. Are you gonna be a douchenozzle again today Jose? THEN YOU SIT!

2016 ZiPS projections are out.
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2016-...s-city-royals/

Infante, Orlando, and Brian Flynn are currently projected as starters and all are projected to be 0 WAR (replacement) players. Obv we will sign some FA but this is as of today.

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Originally Posted by Snapplez (Post 11926669)

Tigers get Pelfrey

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Originally Posted by Snapplez (Post 11926669)

Tigers get Pelfrey

Detroit is serious.

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 11926770)

Detroit is serious.

serious about shitty right handed pitching.

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Originally Posted by Snapplez (Post 11926669)

Tigers get Pelfrey

They can have him. I'd rather we retain Young anyways.

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Originally Posted by Saul Good (Post 11924722)

It makes no sense, bit I'm still infatuated with the idea of bringing Myers back.

The last two years have revealed just how far away Myers is from the Royals philosophy. Offensively, he is a power hitting bat who has struck out at a concerningly high rate for his entire career. His struggle to make consistent contact likely raised red flags with the Royals minor league scouting.

Even more concerning may have been Myers defense. His defense at both right and center have been atrocious in his young career. Put those struggles in Kauffman and we may have been pining for replacement level talent in right field.

I love Wil, and want him to succeed. His wrist problems (arising from a crazy outfield collision) are the worst thing that could have happened to a young hitter. However, it's now clear that his skill set may never been the right fit for the Royals. Kudos to Moore and his scouts for seeing that as he was coming through the pipeline.

Pelfrey is weak. . Detroit can have him

Pelfrey and Detroit's defense could be an interesting combination.

Detroit is really good up the middle with Kinsler and Iglesias, and really bad at the corners with Cabrera and Castellanos.

Martinez is also pretty bad.

He's a nice sixth starter signing, but yeah, I'd rather have Chris Young, personally.