That is not an apple to apple comparison. Ogbah was playing regularly and was a starter when someone was out. Ward never got that far. We could not afford Ogbah either.
Try harder to make better more complete complaints.

Not true.

In week 17 against the Chargers starters, he looked good.

In the preseason he got a lot of snaps early in games against 1's and 2's. Like against Arizona, for instance.

I think they thought they could sneak him back onto the practice squad but NY nabbed him.

It should have been a red flag that the Seahawks decided to cut him. He’s been invisible the first two games.

Frank Morris?

Sammie Clark?...

Yeah, they did grab him. He is a backup that is rotational, not a knock, but he is behind Bryce Huff, a UDFA. Ward has gotten 17 snaps in each of the first two games and complied a whopping 1 asst tackle, no hurries, no QB hits. Let us not act like we let another David Irving leave.

The Seahawks did not cut him. They franchise tagged him and traded him to us.

Wrong. We didn’t trade for him. The Seahawks released him

Reed, not Clark

You’re both talking about different players.

We could afford Ogbah. We were able to sign 100mil+ in contracts with like $102 in cap space left. If we wanted bad enough, we could have fit him in.

Yep, sorry I was referring to Clark. My bad.

How many of Toubs toys are we gonna continue to keep on this roster ****

Not that surprising he's behind a guy whose been there a year and is within the system, even with a new HC coming in. Also Huff looks fairy decent. They also have Shaq Lawson and Franklin Myers - two good players who should rightly get a lot of snaps.

It's a head scratcher to me that he can get snaps within that group but not ours. We've had 53 from Okafor - do we think they've been more productive?

I don't think there's been enough of Ward on tape to say with confidence he'd have had a big impact. But I think within a few weeks we might be able to say he'd have been a useful rotational player and an upgrade on what we have, even if only marginal.

Ogbah had a season ending injury and had yet to demonstrate a consistent starter quality of play from his time in Cleveland until he got here. For what he signed in Miami and what we knew at the time, it was probably smart to let him walk.

That shit happens all the time in the NFL where the risk you didn’t take is one you should have. It’s far from a screw up though.

SMH

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5.5 in 4 starts (10 games overall) isn't consistent starter material? If he played the whole season, there's a very good chance he would have led the league in sacks. And he was pretty good against the run IIRC.

Looks like he has court on Monday Oct 4th possibly
https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2021...-4-nfl-week-5/

maybe that's why his dick broke

$28 million cap hit this season, largest non-QB cap hit in the league.

Guilty on all charges. Must pay back entire salary to my favorite football team, The Kansas City Chiefs.

I believe his contract has some clause in it that can be exercised to get money back because of this shit. They should use it. He deserves it.

Court should add a few charges of fraud along with those gun charges

And criminal neglect of his hamstrings.

Correct.

Committing fraud is also illegal. So the Seattle Seahawks must pay a 1st and 2nd round pick back to the Kansas City Chiefs.

Chiefs, as the clear victims, get their cap space and picks back but also get to keep the Lombardi trophy from winning the Super Bowl.

Human garbage.

Day to day #2

With all of this swirling around he's mentally checked out at this point, you know what to do Brett... go get us some help, STAT

I am still a FA

Frank….

Listen….

We will all forget about this horrid span of games if you destroy worlds in the final 10-14 games and when the playoffs hit, be that bloodthirsty slobbering pit bull that lead the charge against Derrick Henry’s power offense.

We need that guy back.

I'll call Brett and let him know, after that its between your team and him...

He got hurt in practice? The **** is going on w this dude?

Frank Clark ****ing sucks

Chiefs should send a message to all the other underperforming guys on the team and bench Frank. He is the worst-performing D-linemen in the NFL.

...?

Thank u.

Will do my best to go low on Brady in the Super Bowl and end his career, even if penalized.

Isn't free agency a little like buying a used car. The seller says that this is the best used car that they have ever had and is willing to part with it for only a first round pick. So, willing to give up a know good player for the chance at another? Sounds like the typical used car deal. If I have a good car, I keep it in good repair, spend money on it and use it.

I've never bought a used car that way. Why do we trade draft picks for players that other teams deem expendable?

Top 3 paid defensive player and ranked dead last in production.

He does not even give a shit any longer. He has been a distraction since his multiple arrest.

This piece of shit...

This has been veachs worst move, and it still got us a Superbowl.

That said, take an Uzi to this contract.

Would help if he actually played in a game this year

Was and never will be the same as before the double elbow surgeries.

He should lose his starting job to Danna.

He may have. Danna had two sacks today and is our best DL right now. But with Kaindoh hurt we are short handed. We need Clark.

Arraignment this morning. Anybody heard anything?

Clark hasn't tweeted since February.

He's in a dark place.

My last hope for this pile of shit to demonstrate any worth is as someone who can absorb snaps and keep Danna fresh for pass rushing situations.

Danna is too small and not really all that polished so asking him to be a 3 down player is too much. If Clark can just ****ing show up, take a few replacement levels snaps while Danna stays fresh and then Danna can try to muddle his way into a pass rush with fresh legs, we’ll at least get SOMETHING out of this bum.

He’s counting his money

We got a big silver trophy from him.

This presumes he’s capable of shame.

Not sure why anyone would believe he is. Dude’s gonna be Larry Johnson when we finally ditch his ass.

“I’m Cak’n, patna!!!”

Maybe his body just gave out man.

There's no shame in that. That's Veach's fault.

Sure thing.

Guy was less important than Dan Sorensen in that run. Sure seems like it’s fair game to criticize the UDFA who’s making 10% of what Clark is and has made far greater contributions to the team than Clark the last 3 seasons.

It’s insane the rationalizations people continue to make for this trash.

No rationalizations.

He was great for one year.

Pretty good for a year.

And now his body is done.

Sucks that we overpaid but I'd do it again if it meant the ring.

He was very good for 5 games in year 1.

He was complete dog shit last year - what were you watching?

Just more rationalizing even in a post where you insist you aren’t.

And again - if every post about Frank Clark requires some sort of qualifier about the Super Bowl, why don’t we extend Dan Sorensen the same courtesy? Or Austin Reiter? Or K-Pass? Where’s’ “sure Mecole screwed up again but man that kick return changed EVERYTHING!”

Why do people bend over backwards for this guy? Why do I have to put an asterisk by any criticism of him?

Why does Frank Clark get a pass for a championship that required incredible moments and performances from a couple dozen other guys who get nowhere near that kind of latitude?

Tell me more about how you don’t make excuses for him…

Complete dog shit is Eric Hicks.

Clark was a decent player last year.

You are very mean and shortsighted sometimes.

He got paid.

And a ring.

No fire now.

He WAS Eric Hicks last year.

Look at how infrequently he was doubled and how infrequently he won the rep. You’ve seen the graph I’m talking about. Check his win rates. Check any sort of objective measure of his performance.

He was a bad football player in 2020.

You’re incredibly myopic most of the time.

And you waffle between HOFer and JAG on most player evaluations...very sad!

He had 6 sacks, 15 QB hits and 8 TFL for crying out loud...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E4hQU8HX...jpg&name=large

Nice season, Frank...

Not sure I trust that chart as it also shits on JPP and Shaq who were butt****ing us in the SB.

Oh FFS - I've defended dudes like Sorensen and Reiter. I've argued in favor of extending guys like Ward because he's simply a credible player at a difficult position. When everyone spent 3-4 years shitting on Fisher I called them idiots for it. This very day, in the CEH thread, when you're bagging on Clyde for not being Barry Sanders and being unable to outrun defenses to the pylon, I'm the one pointing out the insanity of those expectations.

I've never for one second devalued the contributions of merely solid players. I think they're invaluable.

Frank Clark isn't a solid player He wasn't a solid player for the majority of his first season, no matter how hard you guys tried to argue otherwise and blamed warm weather while congratulating him for almost making a play.

You have a soft spot for a bad player. I have no earthly idea why this is the case, but I'm clearly not going to convince you of it either.

It's just silly to call him bad...he is bad now, sure.

Last two years he was a solid contributor.

his effort in the Superbowl win won't be forgotten. But he is not a $100 mill guy. Whenever it's financially viable to cut him you gotta cut him.

Frank did more for our defense than CEH has ever done for the offense.

Yet you are on your knees for that yawn of a player.

How's it bag on Shaq? That's a top 10 pass-rush win rate.

That's the problem with Clark - it isn't that he doesn't win reps or that he doesn't draw doubles. It's that he doesn't draw doubles AND he doesn't win reps.

Barrett, when left alone, won the rep. Clark didn't do anything like that in 2020. And you know this.

All actual analysis of him to the contrary.

Find me anything that supports him as even an average football player in 2020.

You're seeing what you want to see.

Conveniently left out JPP....

That whole playoff run for me.

Plus he has legal troubles. Game is mostly mental. His head and heart are somewhere else, IMO.

:shrug:

PFR AV 14

I called him 'fine'. I said he's good enough. Yeah - way more fawning than trying to build a case for Frank Clark on 5 good football games.

You can't even keep your arguments straight at this point because you've talked yourself into a circle.

Bad football players don't get 6 sacks and 8 TFL and 15 QB hits...

Not like I'm calling him elite.

You just refuse to move.

Like Clark against the Titans in the AFCCG... :)

Travis Kelce -- PFR AV: 13

Tell me more about the value of AV.

It's orders of magnitude more useless than anything PFF has ever crapped out.

I mean I'm not saying it's completely accurate, dead on.

But there's plenty of evidence he was not a "bad" football player last year.

Anyway, YMMV. He certainly showed up more than DT in the postseason, that's for sure.

Was he bad last year? Prob not.

Did he live up to his contract last year? Obv not

ya the entire playoffs/superbowl he played a big role. Didn't he close out every game with a sack? That shit was legendary. But obviously he isn't doing enough to keep him whenever it makes sense to cut him, you just have to. I'm not sure when that is, but you know it's gotta happen.

I'd be willing to bet at 4 or 5 of them were coverage sacks or something of the sort. Good on Clark for getting them but I've never seen any player fall into sacks more.

Let's disregard the 14 sack season - In 2002 Eric Hicks had 9 sacks and 9 TFL.

Benson Mayowa had 6 sacks and 7 TFL last season and is playing for $2.25 million this year and he didn't have Chris Jones drawing attention.

But please - continue....

Nope. Your choice to be a fan.

He’s not even Christian Colon or Drew Butera,

He’s the corpse that was Omar Infante’s contract in 2015

Damn, what a rational way to look at the situation.
Nice post. :clap: