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RedThat 12-10-2007 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz
because of several reasons....


1. general coaching - the olineman are coached a prepared to know the scheme and execute the scheme in indy.

2. attitude - the players believe in the scheme and fellow players. offense is the red-headed stepchild with Herm and the players know it.

3. scheme - these days in the NFL the athletic ability of the players is so close that coaching and scheme is huge. A scheme that gives the players any kind of edge can make all the difference.


listen ... unpredictability is an offensive lineman's best friend. when the Oline knows what's gonna happen and the defense doesn't it gives every Offensive lineman a step head start in getting to their blocks. The more unpredictable the bigger the head start. That can make every offensive lineman look quicker and look studly.

when a defense is just attacking without fear or regard ... the offensive lineman have to start "reaching" for blocks. They look slow and off-balance.


Brian Waters went to Hawaii in our last scheme but looks like a lazy bum in this one. Yes, having Roaf next to him helps but he is still getting abused several times a game when it's one-on-one.


do we have the best offensive line talent ...... no.

but our scheme and coaching are making them worse than they really are.


we trade offensive line with the colts and we would still stink and people would be screaming for lilja's head.

I hear ya. And I can agree with all that. Scheme does make a difference. I think the players the Chiefs have on the Offensive line are not as bad. They look bad because it's the little things around them that are bad.

duncan_idaho 12-10-2007 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz
because of several reasons....


1. general coaching - the olineman are coached a prepared to know the scheme and execute the scheme in indy.

2. attitude - the players believe in the scheme and fellow players. offense is the red-headed stepchild with Herm and the players know it.

3. scheme - these days in the NFL the athletic ability of the players is so close that coaching and scheme is huge. A scheme that gives the players any kind of edge can make all the difference.


listen ... unpredictability is an offensive lineman's best friend. when the Oline knows what's gonna happen and the defense doesn't it gives every Offensive lineman a step head start in getting to their blocks. The more unpredictable the bigger the head start. That can make every offensive lineman look quicker and look studly.

when a defense is just attacking without fear or regard ... the offensive lineman have to start "reaching" for blocks. They look slow and off-balance.


Brian Waters went to Hawaii in our last scheme but looks like a lazy bum in this one. Yes, having Roaf next to him helps but he is still getting abused several times a game when it's one-on-one.


do we have the best offensive line talent ...... no.

but our scheme and coaching are making them worse than they really are.


we trade offensive line with the colts and we would still stink and people would be screaming for lilja's head.

Agree completely. You could take a line full of Pro Bowl players, and they still would look pedestrian when trying to execute predictable, ultra-conservative play-calling. Very few five-man lines are going to be effective when their coaching staff is to stubborn to stop running into the teeth of 8 and 9-man fronts on every first down.

StcChief 12-10-2007 11:43 AM

damn Arena Ball will be the death of us

BucEyedPea 12-10-2007 02:33 PM

I think the Pats have had to gameplan this way because they don't have a good RB. Maroney hasn't been doing it and they lost Morris who was good. If they had a good RB I think they'd run more. As I recall at the season's start they ran much more. JMO though.

Saulbadguy 12-10-2007 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea
I think the Pats have had to gameplan this way because they don't have a good RB. Maroney hasn't been doing it and they lost Morris who was good. If they had a good RB I think they'd run more. As I recall at the season's start they ran much more. JMO though.

Are you a Patriots fan, or a Buccaneers fan?

Amnorix 12-10-2007 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea
I think the Pats have had to gameplan this way because they don't have a good RB. Maroney hasn't been doing it and they lost Morris who was good. If they had a good RB I think they'd run more. As I recall at the season's start they ran much more. JMO though.

I tend to agree, though the Ravens and STeelers are anomalies, I think. They are teh 1st and 2nd best run defenses in the NFL. When you have the best passing game in NFL history (perhaps) and are going up against the 1st and 2nd best run defenses....why bother to run?

Nzoner 12-10-2007 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud
Let me know when the Chiefs have a QB that's the same caliber of Brady and receivers in the same league as Moss, Stallworth and Welker.

Oh yeah, and an actual NFL O-line.

Then, we can talk. :rolleyes:


It wasn't that long ago that Brady won 3 Super Bowls with a helluva lot less than that at wide receiver.

BucEyedPea 12-10-2007 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix
I tend to agree, though the Ravens and STeelers are anomalies, I think. They are teh 1st and 2nd best run defenses in the NFL. When you have the best passing game in NFL history (perhaps) and are going up against the 1st and 2nd best run defenses....why bother to run?

Good point. I didn't know that about the Ravens and Steelers.....just that Ravens had a strong D. Still, Ravens had to hold most of the game too.

Dave Lane 12-10-2007 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hootie
I highly doubt that.


I remember it as well. He was screaming at him for not dumping it off and making 5 yards instead of throwing to a wide open receiver. Too risky I suppose he could have pulled a hammy....

Dave


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