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OK Mr. Croyle, I've defended loyally on this forum. (https://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=184664)

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Originally Posted by Nightfyre (Post 4750267)

He almost beat the colts. For all intents and purposes, it should have been a win. That takes composure, an intangible that some might call a glimmer.

Almost counts in hand grenades and horseshoe.

That was his best game.
I give him credit for it, but that doesn't warrant more evaluation time in my book. Not when his performances following were decidedly inferior.

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 4750254)

I would argue that Huard was an 80 year vet, summoning every bit of know-how he had.

Do you expect the same kind of production from a 1st timer???

Croyle wasn't a rookie when he took the field.
And while I don't expect him to have the kind of moxy a veteran would have I do expect him to produce (something) in a game where that veteran did.

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4750263)

Oh and incidentally he had 3 pre-season starts where he looked like dogshit.

Yeah, and Tom friggin Montana would have looked bad as well with that lineup.

Incidentally, the pre-season doesnt mean shit.

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 4750266)

Didn't Elway's, Manning's, and Aikman's coaches actually allow them to throw the ball into the endzone?

FAX

Did you ever consider the fact that those shackles might've said something about their belief in Brodie's ability?

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4750270)

Croyle wasn't a rookie when he took the field.

Never said he was.

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 4750272)

Yeah, and Tom friggin Montana would have looked bad as well with that lineup.

But Huard produced with that lineup?
Hmm...

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Incidentally, the pre-season doesnt mean shit.

Bullshit. Players make teams and win starting jobs during the pre-season EVERY single year. His pre-season performance is only being castoff because it was nothing to write home about. Had he thrown 5 TD's during those 3 games it wouldn't be.

Players go full bore in the pre-season to avoid injury to themselves and to their teammates. But his on-the-field performance despite the effort given by other first teamers can't be evaluated? Nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4750275)

Did you ever consider the fact that those shackles might've said something about their belief in Brodie's ability?

Sure. I've considered it. The thing is, it cuts both ways. Based on Herm's and Solari's past performance, I'm forced to question their ability to question someone's ability.

Besides, it's difficult to improve when you're "shackled".

FAX

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 4750256)

... Let me ask you this; What could Croyle have done last year that would have changed your mind about him?

FAX

I thought this was a good question and might help define the conversation.

What, specifically, could Croyle have done to make you believe in his potential, Mr. Micjones?

FAX

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 4750285)

Sure. I've considered it. The thing is, it cuts both ways. Based on Herm's and Solari's past performance, I'm forced to question their ability to question someone's ability.

If they aren't exactly good judges of a QB's ability perhaps putting all of their eggs into the Croyle basket is a bad idea? Just an idea.

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Besides, it's difficult to improve when you're "shackled".

FAX

I think a player can still improve and do well with what they are allowed to do.
He didn't.

croyle's offensive line last year wasn't average, it wasn't bad, it was historically bad. how the heck anyone could have been expected to suceed much a less a first year starter is beyond me.

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Originally Posted by scott free (Post 4750246)

What makes it likely???...the fact that 07 was an abortion from the get go, regardless of who was at QB???

He didnt have a chance last year.

Take off the homer glasses. Are you seriously saying he isn't more likely to be nothing than to be a functional starting QB?

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 4750289)

I thought this was a good question and might help define the conversation.

What, specifically, could Croyle have done to make you believe in his potential, Mr. Micjones?

FAX

Gone out and thrown 2 TD's for 200+ yards (no INT's) and helped this team win a game.

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4750244)

I love the idea that Croyle's being compared to former #1 overall Draft picks.
:rolleyes:

That is THE lamest argument. The handling of a #1 overall pick is infinitely different from how you handle a Third Round pick. Those organizations HAD to be patient with those QB's. We don't owe Brodie Croyle that kind of commitment. But I'll humor you...

Let's take a closer look at these QB's... Shall we?

In the case of Elway by the end of the season he had put together three games where he had a QB Rating of 100 or better. He had a 3-TD game against the Baltimore Colts.

In the case of Aikman by the end of the season he put together a string of 4 out of 5 games where he had a QB Rating of 80 or better. He tossed 8 TD's during that stretch. Including a 4 TD game against the Rams.

In the case of Manning...
Well, he only set a new NFL rookie record for TD passes. And by the end of the year he had two games with QB Ratings of 100 or better and THREE 3 TD games.

I believe if you think you have your guy you treat him with the same amount of care as you would a first rounder. Wouldn't you be pissing down your leg if you didn't?

I don't expect Brodie to be Elway or Aikman, you don't find guys like those every day, or year for that matter, but he must be given more time to prove whether he can be a productive starter in this league. Fact is, he WILL get that time. He will have this entire season to do just that. If he fails, he fails, and we will be looking for a QB. Hopefully we can use those resources elsewhere with a young strong armed QB pulling the trigger for us.
I think with a strong running game, and solid play calling, Brodie is the guy.
He's a good fit for play action, smash mouth football.

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Originally Posted by Micjones (Post 4750291)

If they aren't exactly good judges of a QB's ability perhaps putting all of their eggs into the Croyle basket is a bad idea? Just an idea.

I think a player can still improve and do well with what they are allowed to do.
He didn't.

Now, you're just talking in circles. They didn't put all their eggs in Croyle's basket. That's how we got Huard.

And, on one hand, you cite touchdowns as being one measure of success while saying that Croyle should have performed better while "shackled" by morons who prefer to send the RB up the center's ass on 3rd and 8. You're losing me.

FAX

Croyle's time to shine/fail is coming, New OL, WR's, RB's ,TE's,FB's better O Coach.....

let's hope he put his winter off-season to good use. bulking up a bit.