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DeezNutz 08-15-2008 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 4918090)
How can you argue with a straight face that the fact we have always signed our 1st round pick under Glass is not relevant in an argument discussing whether or not we will sign this year's 1st round pick?

I was being a smartass about giving Glass the benefit of the doubt.

Easy, when you draft someone just because he'll sign and who is clearly not worthy of the selection, see Billy Butler, there's no award for getting the deal done. Who cares? We've had a few years of legit. draft picks signed. '05 on. Three years isn't enough to convince me that Glass will do the right thing. The 12 previous years taught me differently.

DeezNutz 08-15-2008 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 4918094)
I am 100% confident we will, and have been since the beginning. I guess some will continue to fall for the same old tricks from Boras, though.

I hope you'll be around here in about 75 minutes to admit how wrong you were.

Wrong? Because I'm skeptical of David Glass? I didn't say it wouldn't, but I'm not 100 percent confident. As I've said, I will give the guy his due props when this happens.

eazyb81 08-15-2008 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 4918110)
Wrong? Because I'm skeptical of David Glass? I didn't say it wouldn't, but I'm not 100 percent confident. As I've said, I will give the guy is due props when this happens.

Until something else goes wrong and you start bitching about his draft picks from 2001 again, right?

DeezNutz 08-15-2008 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 4918118)
Until something else goes wrong and you start bitching about his draft picks from 2001 again, right?

No. When Glass shows a consistent dedication to winning, I'll be happy. For example when payroll matches what the team receives in revenue sharing.

Tell me again why the signing of a first-round selection who has no business being drafted in the top 30 proves guys like Hosmer are a lock. You haven't explained this logic.

eazyb81 08-15-2008 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 4918126)
No. When Glass shows a consistent dedication to winning, I'll be happy. For example when payroll matches what the team receives in revenue sharing.

And you believe this because Soren Petro spouts it off?

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Tell me again why the signing of a first-round selection who has no business being drafted in the top 30 proves guys like Hosmer are a lock. You haven't explained this logic.
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You want to try this one again?

Mecca 08-15-2008 09:02 PM

It's pretty well known the Royals get more sharing money than their payroll is...

DeezNutz 08-15-2008 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 4918132)
You want to try this one again?

You've got to ****ing kidding. There's no way you can believe this?!?

He's never failed to sign someone, of course it seems like we've only taken the best talent since '05...but he's NEVER failed to sign someone. Are you serious? Dan? Is that you?

Like I've consistently said, this year's draft would be a true turning point, but I need to see it happen to completion to believe.

eazyb81 08-15-2008 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 4918136)
It's pretty well known the Royals get more sharing money than their payroll is...

Again, because Soren Petro says it's true? Can you find a legit link? Can you also find a link of the other expenditures involved with running a professional baseball team?

Mecca 08-15-2008 09:05 PM

Do you have a hardon for defending the way the Royals do things...

eazyb81 08-15-2008 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 4918139)
You've got to ****ing kidding. There's no way you can believe this?!?

He's never failed to sign someone, of course it seems like we've only taken the best talent since '05...but he's NEVER failed to sign someone. Are you serious? Dan? Is that you?

Like I've consistently said. This year's draft would be a true turning point, but I need to see it happen to completion to believe.

No you don't. You'll give a nice golf clap for now, but when the next thing goes wrong you'll cry and bitch again. I bet you were cheering for the Moustakas signing last year, saying the tide has finally turned.

DeezNutz 08-15-2008 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 4918140)
Again, because Soren Petro says it's true? Can you find a legit link? Can you also find a link of the other expenditures involved with running a professional baseball team?

The owners don't open the books. Yes, I think Petro has done a pretty good job of tracking down this info. Going to have to go with the "journalists" on this one.

DeezNutz 08-15-2008 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 4918143)
No you don't. You'll give a nice golf clap for now, but when the next thing goes wrong you'll cry and bitch again. I bet you were cheering for the Moustakas signing last year, saying the tide has finally turned.

Again, explain your logic of "always signing draft picks" when, for a lot of years, these picks have been made BECAUSE THEY'LL SIGN.

Nope. Dig up any post I've made about this year's draft and I've been very positive about it, largely because of the Melville selection. But you're right, I'm going to continue to want to hold Glass accountable.

KevB 08-15-2008 09:09 PM

I'm struggling to remember the last player that was woefully overdrafted in the 1st round. It wasn't Butler...he was a 1st round pick. Maybe a bit overdrafted, but I'd say the success he's had justifies the pick. Lubanski? He was well thought of, and was considered a top 10-15 player. Yes, he was probably taken is some respect due to signability, but we got a top prospect. Maybe Stodolka? Seems as if some "experts" were questioning that pick.

DeezNutz 08-15-2008 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by KevB (Post 4918155)
I'm struggling to remember the last player that was woefully overdrafted in the 1st round. It wasn't Butler...he was a 1st round pick. Maybe a bit overdrafted, but I'd say the success he's had justifies the pick. Lubanski? He was well thought of, and was considered a top 10-15 player. Yes, he was probably taken is some respect due to signability, but we got a top prospect. Maybe Stodolka? Seems as if some "experts" were questioning that pick.

All three of the players you mentioned weren't worthy of the selection, and I'm talking pre-draft. Maybe Stodolka? WTF? Butler, of course. He didn't have a position coming out.

The Royals aren't in this position b/c they were doing things the right way in the draft.

eazyb81 08-15-2008 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 4918153)
Again, explain your logic of "always signing draft picks" when, for a lot of years, these picks have been made BECAUSE THEY'LL SIGN.

As I've said numerous times, judge the organization by it's current staff and decisions, not on decisions that were made generations ago by Herk Robinson and Allard Baird. That's just f'n reeruned.


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