I remember him running it up the middle at least once. He was pretty successful. I'm just concerned that Herm will run him up the middle. I can hear it now, "Charles is a good football player. Good football players run the ball. And that's OK."

I absolutely love Charles. I think he can be a Westbrook type back in the future. It seems like he will get plenty of chances to make plays this year even playing behind LJ. I liked how they used Charles week 1 and if they play him more it does make the offense better.

LJ looked terribly impatient last year before his injury, as well.

In the end, there really aren't that many plays in his career that you can point to and and be impressed with his patience and vision.

Well that's just like.... your opinion man......

The NY media has never given anyone a free pass. Especially someone who deserved criticism.

And coaches are arrogant. That's part of the qualifications. Do you watch other head coach's press conferences often? Because most all of them say some pretty stupid and arrogant shit. Coachspeak should be considered an official language...

At least three of his five carries were inside the tackle.

Yes it is, and that's also your opinion, and I respect that, so we'll have to agree to disagree on Hermy. :evil:

I really really wish we would have reconsidered giving LJ a huge extension. I told my old man that back when LJ was holding out last season, and he thought I'd lost my mind. He was a huge LJ fan. After the preseason games this year, the first thing he said to me was "Where the hell did all these good RBs come from? Cause they look better than LJ does. How much are we paying him again?"

I think we all agree that Herm is 100% Dumbass and isnt good for any franchise or young players long term....

Agree, It would of been nice to unload LJ for picks instead of signing the MOST easy position to replace on the football field to a monster contract... IF this was 1989 and you still built teams around the RB position then it was a good move. In 2007, it is a bad move. You dont see championship teams spending that kind of jack on a broken down RB with a injury history and a record setting touches year....

I guess that is why we arent a championship team huh?

I don't really think that LJ is broken though. In the right environment, he could still tear shit up. He's just vastly overpaid for a job that could be handled equally well if not better by a rookie making much much less.

Agree Fishy, Sadly we are an organization/fanbase stuck in the mediocrity of the past...

Until we get fresh management and coaching, we will continue this cycle of below mediocrity at the expense of the "true fan".

And that's the part we don't agree on. I think I can see the light at the end of the tunnel. Sadly, the tunnel is still 14 miles long, but I do think we're breaking the cycle that has plagued this franchise for a long time. I have my doubts whether Herm can finish the project, but as long as we're headed in the right direction, I can live with it. The wins might not be there right now, but the culture that's being instilled is positive growth IMO.

Even his old self wasn't that good -- you score points by throwing the football, and LJ is horrid in that respect. I'd cut his ass and go with Smith and Charles.

I dont think we should cut him, I would just let Herm continue to end his career..

Let Herm work is buttsex magic, run LJ up the centers ass week in and out. Use him up and toss him to the curb with Carl and Herm in 2 years...

Are you serious? I mean, really serious?

ROFL