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dirk digler 10-15-2008 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5117709)
Tony extended his contract after Herm's first year. Toward the end of the year and after the playoff loss to the Colts where the Chiefs offense consisted of repeatedly running LJ into 8 man defensive fronts guys like LJ, Tony and Green all came out and made comments about the questionable play calling and direction of the offense. Tony was on notice.

Tony would also have to blind to see that the team didn't need to be rebuilt. The offense was getting old and Herm had already begun to bring in players that would buy into Herm's drivel.

The Chiefs have been rebuilding for three years. You don't need to play 10 rookies to begin rebuilding. Herm has given his draft picks and free agent signings plenty of playing time from day one.
Chiefnj you are buying into Carl\Herm's BS about them rebuilding for 2 years. They weren't and everyone knows that. Yeah they plugged in a couple of rookies because they had no one else better. Last year this was the oldest team in the NFL. That is not rebuilding that is plugging holes trying to get by. Also you don't rebuild by starting Damon Huard.

Rausch 10-15-2008 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 5117736)
Chiefnj you are buying into Carl\Herm's BS about them rebuilding for 2 years. They weren't and everyone knows that. Yeah they plugged in a couple of rookies because they had no one else better. Last year this was the oldest team in the NFL. That is not rebuilding that is plugging holes trying to get by. Also you don't rebuild by starting Damon Huard.
This is a change of strategy to buy time.

The plan failed. The plan was to run a cover 2 with the DV/Saunders/Solari system and improve the D enough to win a playoff game.

Failed hard.

Now we have a real OC who's handcuffed by the HC, the GM, the constantly injured talent, and the looming last year under contract...

Chiefnj2 10-15-2008 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 5117736)
Chiefnj you are buying into Carl\Herm's BS about them rebuilding for 2 years. They weren't and everyone knows that. Yeah they plugged in a couple of rookies because they had no one else better. Last year this was the oldest team in the NFL. That is not rebuilding that is plugging holes trying to get by. Also you don't rebuild by starting Damon Huard.
Did Hali, Page, Pollard and Webb get a lot of playing time as rookies? Did Bowe, McBride, Tyler, Kolby Smith, Taylor and Nap Harris get playing time last year? Did young guys like Brackenridge and Patterson get a shot?

Teams rebuild with older QB's all the time. Herm gave Croyle every chance in the world to win the starting job last year and Croyle couldn't do it.

Reerun_KC 10-15-2008 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5117763)
Did Hali, Page, Pollard and Webb get a lot of playing time as rookies? Did Bowe, McBride, Tyler, Kolby Smith, Taylor and Nap Harris get playing time last year? Did young guys like Brackenridge and Patterson get a shot?

Teams rebuild with older QB's all the time. Herm gave Croyle every chance in the world to win the starting job last year and Croyle couldn't do it.
Wierd according to Hard Knocks.. Croyle had about as much chance as you or I did at starting.... Carl vetoed that..

Rausch 10-15-2008 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5117779)
Wierd according to Hard Knocks.. Croyle had about as much chance as you or I did at starting.... Carl vetoed that..
That's a ****ing myth...

Chiefnj2 10-15-2008 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5117779)
Wierd according to Hard Knocks.. Croyle had about as much chance as you or I did at starting.... Carl vetoed that..
I didn't realize you took the majority of snaps in preseason.

HemiEd 10-15-2008 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 5117448)
He is one of the very few who appears committed to making the exact same mistakes over and over again. FAX
Isn't that close to the definition of insanity?

Mr. Flopnuts 10-15-2008 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 5117466)
BS.

Peterson hired Herm. Traded for him even.

Your HC and GM should work as a team, even more so when the HC is the GM's choice. If it doesn't work with your old friend and first choice why would anyone think it could work with Peterson and someone who isn't?

When you fail it's not just one head. You can the GM which means the HC, Coordinators (at least most likely,) and even a good helping of position coaches as the new regime takes over.

You were hired to IMPROVE the team. If you can't after your fourth try (Carl, with 4 different HC's) or your third year (Herm) why keep these people around?
This is really only Herm's 2nd year. Carl wouldn't let Herm do this from the start. He made him play Dickie V ball for a year with Mike Solari filling in for Jesus. I'm not saying Herm should stay, I want him the whole front office cleaned out, but this is really only his 2nd year. All that said, deal with it. They're going to be around through 2009. Clark won't fire them. Even if they go 1-15.

dirk digler 10-15-2008 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5117763)
Did Hali, Page, Pollard and Webb get a lot of playing time as rookies? Did Bowe, McBride, Tyler, Kolby Smith, Taylor and Nap Harris get playing time last year? Did young guys like Brackenridge and Patterson get a shot?

Teams rebuild with older QB's all the time. Herm gave Croyle every chance in the world to win the starting job last year and Croyle couldn't do it.
We are going to agree to disagree on this.

If you are "rebuilding" you don't sign a 30+ yr old LB who is on their last legs. You don't sign a 30+ yr old tackle that can't play. You don't keep old farts like Welbourne, Turley and Kennison around.

They tried to plug holes and not really rebuild.

What they are doing this year is rebuilding.

Rausch 10-15-2008 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Flopnuts (Post 5117792)
This is really only Herm's 2nd year. Carl wouldn't let Herm do this from the start.
No, it's his third year.

It's Herm's fault for not having the huevos to demand a rebuild (just like DV did) year one.

You know the guy, you took the job, demand YOUR team (Just like Marty, DV, and hell even Gun did.)

Looking back now Herm came in to manage a Pizza Hutt not to reinvent fine dining in his area. If you put off who you are and what you believe in for 2 years and then come out later and proclaim "THIS IS WHAT I WANT! THIS IS WHAT I'M ABOUT!" contrary to the two years before...

Well, don't be shocked when the theatre's empty...

Reerun_KC 10-15-2008 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 5117782)
That's a ****ing myth...
I will never forget the episode that they are sitting around that table, talking about the QB's.. Curl wanted Croyle, Carl kept saying he wanted Huard, because he gives us the best chance to win now...

I was sick to my stomach when I watched that....

Reerun_KC 10-15-2008 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 5117787)
I didn't realize you took the majority of snaps in preseason.
Ssshhhh, My noodle arm would resemble Huards....

CoMoChief 10-15-2008 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by cdcox (Post 5117279)
Clark is a smart dude. I also think he knows he has to make his own bones in the NFL. His father was respected for 1) creating the AFL; 2) winning a SB; and 3) playing a big hand in the merger that created the modern day NFL. Clark hasn't done jack shit. He'll get no respect in club 32 until he does.

I think he cleans house, at least on the football side of the organization.
Eh - Clark was already very well respected around the league before Lamar passed away.

Rausch 10-15-2008 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5117824)
I will never forget the episode that they are sitting around that table, talking about the QB's.. Curl wanted Croyle, Carl kept saying he wanted Huard, because he gives us the best chance to win now...

I was sick to my stomach when I watched that....
Croyle was Herm's boy from the word go. He wanted Croyle to start but he was so ****ing gag-reflex terrible in the preseason there was no option.

Carl didn't force anything he just called an easy shot from the inside.

There's this odd dichotomy where Carl knows more than fans think about football and fans know more than Carl thinks they do about football...

HemiEd 10-15-2008 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 5117544)
Who do you feel Herm would do that for? Who are "Herm's Guys?"

Short answer: NO ONE...
Ron Edwards, McIntosh, can there be any other explanation?


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