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milkman 12-25-2008 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan (Post 5325175)
Very sick of Vermeil being thrown under the bus. Vermeil did not make most personnel decisions. He was a part...but not the final vote, necessarily. That's why teams have a GM. Herm isn't a GM either. Carl is at fault for the talent we have had (or have passed on). Vermeil and Herm are responsible for coaching what they're given. Vermeil did a good job with what he was given AND what he inherited (remember how useless Dante Hall was until Vermeil identified a way to tap his talents?). Herm has done a terrible job with the hand he's bee dealt. Vermeil was always a good coach. Herm has never been a good coach. Does anyone deny that this team would have more wins under a different guy? This all seems to obvious that I'm still amazed that people argue on behalf of Germ.

Dick sucked ass.

He didn't have the final say, but there's no way you can look at that 5 years and not see Dick's influence in the roster decisions.

KCJohnny 12-25-2008 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 5325883)
Again, to say that this rebuild started 3 years ago ignores the facts. This team should have been blown up years ago. It sounds like Herm wanted to do that, but Peterson resisted. And we know who was wrong on that call.

Good point.

milkman 12-25-2008 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5325828)
Yeah, because we all know that the Chiefs are just as talented as the Patriots, Giants, Steelers, Ravens, Panthers, Falcons and Colts.

It's just the head coach that holding them back.

No, this team isn't as talented as the Pats, Giants, Ravens, Panthers, Falcons and Colts.

However, there have been 3 or 4 games that this team could have won in 2008, and Herman ****ing Edwards and his staff have failed to make in game decisions that put this team in the position to win those games.

It's not just the head coach holding them back.

But he, and his staff, sure haven't done a good job of pushing them forward.

Skip Towne 12-25-2008 09:06 AM

To me, the debate is should Herm be shot or hanged?

MahiMike 12-25-2008 12:38 PM

Good coaches don't lose half their games by 7 points or less. You need to win at least half these. Case closed.

Hammock Parties 12-25-2008 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike (Post 5327215)
Good coaches don't lose half their games by 7 points or less. You need to win at least half these. Case closed.

But Herm says it's just the odds that he'll eventually win his share of the close ones! He must be right, he's smart. He has a degree in chemistry!

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-25-2008 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5327003)
zilla makes a lot of valid points, but the fact is that Herman ****ing Edwards is the worst coach in the league.

He didn't screw this team up with his personnel decisions.

He screwed it up with his game day decsions.

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5327006)
He has, IMO, made a lot of good personnel decisions.

That, however, isn't enough reason to keep him.

He needs to get the **** out before he ruins any chance that these kids have of playing up to their potential.

Jesus MM, you're firing on ALL the right cylinders today! REP.

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Originally Posted by Claythan (Post 5327218)
But Herm says it's just the odds that he'll eventually win his share of the close ones! He must be right, he's smart. He has a degree in chemistry!

That mother****er couldn't get a degree in Advanced Merry Go Round Navigation.

Whoo ha-ha ha...Awww That's it, that's it!
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Bowser 12-25-2008 01:44 PM

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Merry Christmas to you and yours, Herm!

BigChiefFan 12-25-2008 03:42 PM

The dude from Miami is a FIRST YEAR HEAD COACH, same with Mike Smith, etc... the excuses are just that, lame ass attempts to find a GLIMMER of something worthwhile Herm has done. Gee, what an argument for the Herm supporters... "but his 32 defense is irreplaceable-whatever will we do?" How will we be able live without his total of 15 wins in three full seasons? Herm Supporters' argument is just blind homerism at it's finest.

Otter 12-25-2008 07:01 PM

A little good news...

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...wwhi122408.htm

Head coach Herm Edwards might be standing behind the Chiefs’ decision to inject youth into the roster in an effort to rebuild, but from what we hear, his job is far from safe. Edwards, a loser of 22 of his past 24 games, has some support in Kansas City from owner Clark Hunt, but the recent resignation of GM Carl Peterson — Edwards’ close friend — doesn’t bode well for the coach’s future. Regardless of whom Hunt hires to replace Peterson, the new GM will have plenty of reason to justify cutting Edwards loose. Besides his abysmal record, the coach has mishandled some of the team’s younger talent, especially DT Glenn Dorsey, who we understand has been used in a puzzling capacity during his rookie campaign. Also, Edwards repeatedly has absolved his coaching staff of any blame, instead pointing the finger at his players; in reality, the coaches are as much at fault as anyone for their 2-13 record. When all’s said and done in K.C., it’s very likely that the next GM will want to begin his regime with a fresh head coach in place.

milkman 12-25-2008 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Otter (Post 5327444)
Besides his abysmal record, the coach has mishandled some of the team’s younger talent, especially DT Glenn Dorsey, who we understand has been used in a puzzling capacity during his rookie campaign.

I've said since the season started that he has been used wrong, but they should should have explained that more.

Why do they understand?

Oh Snap 12-25-2008 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack (Post 5325046)
If a HC can't turn a team around in three years they suck.

the 06 team was DV. Had CP let herm completely rebuild the team from year 1, perhaps we would be a winning team this year?

Gotta give him another chance. This team has gotten alot more competitive as of late. The young guys appear to be coming on.

06 and 07 were to drastically different teams from the one we field today.

milkman 12-25-2008 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Oh Snap (Post 5327453)
the 06 team was DV. Had CP let herm completely rebuild the team from year 1, perhaps we would be a winning team this year?

Gotta give him another chance. This team has gotten alot more competitive as of late. The young guys appear to be coming on.

06 and 07 were to drastically different teams from the one we field today.

I am just flabbergasted by the sheer idiocy of some fans who can watch Herman ****ing Edwards game day coaching and still think that he deserves another chance.

The guy is the biggest dumbass to ever stroll the sidelines, and has proven it over, and over, and over, and........

Yes, the Chiefs have been more competitive, and if not for the failures of him and his staff, they would have won some of those games.

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-25-2008 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Otter (Post 5327444)
A little good news...

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...wwhi122408.htm

Head coach Herm Edwards might be standing behind the Chiefs’ decision to inject youth into the roster in an effort to rebuild, but from what we hear, his job is far from safe. Edwards, a loser of 22 of his past 24 games, has some support in Kansas City from owner Clark Hunt, but the recent resignation of GM Carl Peterson — Edwards’ close friend — doesn’t bode well for the coach’s future. Regardless of whom Hunt hires to replace Peterson, the new GM will have plenty of reason to justify cutting Edwards loose. Besides his abysmal record, the coach has mishandled some of the team’s younger talent, especially DT Glenn Dorsey, who we understand has been used in a puzzling capacity during his rookie campaign. Also, Edwards repeatedly has absolved his coaching staff of any blame, instead pointing the finger at his players; in reality, the coaches are as much at fault as anyone for their 2-13 record. When all’s said and done in K.C., it’s very likely that the next GM will want to begin his regime with a fresh head coach in place.

It's good to see that KC fans are not the ONLY people who can see the big picture.

Sweet Daddy Hate 12-25-2008 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5327456)
I am just flabbergasted by the sheer idiocy of some fans who can watch Herman ****ing Edwards game day coaching and still think that he deserves another chance.

The guy is the biggest dumbass to ever stroll the sidelines, and has proven it over, and over, and over, and........

Yes, the Chiefs have been more competitive, and if not for the failures of him and his staff, they would have won some of those games.

Prior to Herm, I never had a real reason to study coaching in the NFL. Now, I know more than I ever wanted to.
He's a fascinating case study in ineptitude, but I've had all of this "class" I care for.
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