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Amnorix 01-15-2009 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5395286)
Sounds like a complicated way of saying you have to take the best player available, with an eye on need and positional value.

Which is what I've said for a while now.

errr...best player available for YOUR needs and YOUR team. Not just some random talented guy.

beach tribe 01-15-2009 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5395326)
errr...best player available for YOUR needs and YOUR team. Not just some random talented guy.

Correct. Every team should have a different order for their BPA. According to philosophy, make up of their roster, etc. Whether you run 4-3, or 3-4 LBs, and DEs will change dramatically from board to board for example.

Amnorix 01-15-2009 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe (Post 5395333)
Correct. Every team should have a different order for their BPA. According to philosophy, make up of their roster, etc. Whether you run 4-3, or 3-4 LBs, and DEs will change dramatically from board to board for example.

And this, by the way, is why Mel Kiper is pretty much useless as a commentator. Not only does he not recognize team-specificity in evaluating players, he's incapable of doing it for any team, mcuh less whoever is up next.

Sure, he can say "that team needs an LB", but he's basically incapable of the next step "and that's why, for THIS team, THAT player is a bad fit. This other guy is a better fit because of the scheme they run."

He's just an expensive suit, manicure and hair style who talks football the way a car salesman talks cars. Not only couldn't build an engine, they can barely do more than turn the key...

OnTheWarpath15 01-15-2009 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5395345)
And this, by the way, is why Mel Kiper is pretty much useless as a commentator. Not only does he not recognize team-specificity in evaluating players, he's incapable of doing it for any team, mcuh less whoever is up next.

Sure, he can say "that team needs an LB", but he's basically incapable of the next step "and that's why, for THIS team, THAT player is a bad fit. This other guy is a better fit because of the scheme they run."

He's just an expensive suit, manicure and hair style who talks football the way a car salesman talks cars. Not only couldn't build an engine, they can barely do more than turn the key...

Reptastic.

milkman 01-15-2009 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5395326)
errr...best player available for YOUR needs and YOUR team. Not just some random talented guy.

Well, I didn't expect them to be looking at and drafting for other team's needs.

Duh........

jAZ 01-15-2009 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5393863)
Here's how the Patriots run their draft, generally.

1. they compile the usual, ridiculous list of all players coming out of college. They then SEVERELY whittle it down. Every player that doesn't fit their system gets kicked out, REGARDLESS of talent. They just ignore players that don't fit their system -- whether because they're a bad fit (that 285 lb DE that is too small for DE and too big/slow for OLB or whatever). It's my understanding that the Patriots "board" is much smaller than the average team.

Does Stafford or Sanchez make the cut, IYO?

Amnorix 01-15-2009 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jAZ (Post 5395389)
Does Stafford or Sanchez make the cut, IYO?

No clue. I pay no attention to college football or draftnik discussions, really. I wait until the draft is complete, and then read up on the players drafted by the teams that I am focused on, such as the Patriots and their rivals.

RippedmyFlesh 01-16-2009 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5395614)
No clue. I pay no attention to college football or draftnik discussions, really. I wait until the draft is complete, and then read up on the players drafted by the teams that I am focused on, such as the Patriots and their rivals.

That is the difference in being a chiefs fan that will finally change.We fretted over that
because of carl's poor choices.Now we can relax and checks things out after trusting the right moves have been made,That is a big leap of faith for a chief's fan.

Amnorix 01-23-2009 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix in OP
I strongly suspect Herm will be gone in about 2 weeks.


Told ya. :D

T-post Tom 01-23-2009 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5421279)
Told ya. :D

What was the Pats' record for the 3 seasons prior to BB/SP? I'm too lazy to look it up. :)

Amnorix 01-23-2009 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 5421314)
What was the Pats' record for the 3 seasons prior to BB/SP? I'm too lazy to look it up. :)

Those were the Bobby Grier / Pete Carroll seasons, as Parcells left after 1996. We went 10-6 in 1997, with a playoff loss to, err, the Steelers I think. Two very tight games against them that year.

9-7 in 1998, and then 8-8 in 1999.

Carroll may or may not have gotten a fair shake as a coach. Bobby Grier's drafts were TERRIBLE, and we were way over the cap.

Hammock Parties 01-23-2009 11:06 PM

Amno, do you have a take on Pioli's machinations with Shanahan?

T-post Tom 01-23-2009 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 5421636)
Those were the Bobby Grier / Pete Carroll seasons, as Parcells left after 1996. We went 10-6 in 1997, with a playoff loss to, err, the Steelers I think. Two very tight games against them that year.

9-7 in 1998, and then 8-8 in 1999.

Carroll may or may not have gotten a fair shake as a coach. Bobby Grier's drafts were TERRIBLE, and we were way over the cap.

Depending on your definition of winning, that seems to contradict part of your original post. (Then again, compared to Herm's record, 10-6, 9-7, 8-8 looks pretty good.):

"He also references some of the unique challenges the Chiefs present compared ot the Patriots team that won a SB two years after BB/SP arrived. The roster is much younger here now, and there is no veteran core of players, nor a recent tradition of winning."

Deberg_1990 01-24-2009 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 5421314)
What was the Pats' record for the 3 seasons prior to BB/SP? I'm too lazy to look it up. :)

Its better to compare the Chiefs to the Pats era of the early 90's. 90-92. Right before Parcells arrived.

Rock bottom. Exactly where the Chiefs are at.

milkman 01-24-2009 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by RippedmyFlesh (Post 5395730)
That is the difference in being a chiefs fan that will finally change.We fretted over that
because of carl's poor choices.Now we can relax and checks things out after trusting the right moves have been made,That is a big leap of faith for a chief's fan.

That's not necessarily true.

I am happy that Pioli was hired, because he gives the Chiefs instant credibility around the league that other potential GMs would not have.

However, he wasn't my top choice, and I won't simply just give him a free pass just because he's Scott Pioli.

So far, in the short time he's been on the job, I am pleased with the way he's handled things, and happier than a hog farmer in shit that he, and Clark, fired Herman ****ing Edwards.

However, if he brings in Mike Shannahan (most overrated head coach in the last 30 years) or Paul Pasqualoni as HC (59 years old, and spotty record at Syracuse), then I will be pissed.


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