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DaneMcCloud 01-15-2009 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5394929)
But according to some, he's a POS because he never won a SB.

And without doing the research, there are several late round QB's that also went the the SB and lost, Hasselbeck and Bulger being the most recent.
I said he was a piece of shit? Where?

JFC Dude, settle the **** down.

ChiefsCountry 01-15-2009 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by DrRyan (Post 5394938)
I would love to see any kind of real facts to back this up. This is a blatantly made up statistic. You are claiming that 70% of QBs drafted in the top 5 become Pro Bowlers???? ROFL
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=198662

OnTheWarpath15 01-15-2009 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5394940)
Whoa, Cowboy.

It absolutely means SOMETHING.

If it were a meaningless stat, why would anyone bother drafting a QB in the first round, much like guards and centers?

If it were such a meaningless stat, why are 3 out of the 4 remaining teams left in the 2008 playoffs helmed by first round QB's?

Regardless of the fact that no QB drafted in the 5th and 7th rounds have never won a Super Bowl and regardless of the fact that four Super Bowls were won by Joe Montana (a third round choice) and three were won by Tom Brady (6th rounder), the best chance of winning the Super Bowl is with a first round selection.

Brady and Montana were anomalies that skew the stats. Both weren't "System QB's" that won on flukes. It was fluke that both were overlooked by scouts. In hindsight, there's absolutely no question that both would have gone number one overall in their respective draft years.

It's not a fluke that both are Hall of Fame players.
They don't skew the stats at all, because I'm only counting them once.

27 QB's have won a SB. Some multiple times.

In hindsight, Stabler, Theismann and Unitas would have gone #1 too. What's your point? They didn't.

OnTheWarpath15 01-15-2009 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5394945)
I said he was a piece of shit? Where?

JFC Dude, settle the **** down.
I didn't say anything about you, I said there are some that do.

And that's true.

SOME people have gone over the ****ing deep end to try to defend their position and look ****ing stupid doing it.

greyhoodie 01-15-2009 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5394909)
Regardless, the odds of winning a Super Bowl are greatly increased if you have a first round QB at the helm.

That cannot be disputed.
Odd are probably also increased if you have a shutdown corner or a future hof running back or a defensive end that leads the league in sacks. Point being that a there are plenty of areas to add a difference maker.

My philosophy (and as best I can tell it is Scott Pioli's as well) in round one particularly with the first 10 picks you want a player with minimal downside. If your choice are a guy that could be the next Tom Brady or could be the next Ryan Leaf pass on him for the guy you don't think will be a HOFer but you are absolutely certain is a 16 game starter. Guys you can get an excellent understanding of their capabilities from their college play. (that means no QBs) then in rounds 4-7 and with UDFA grab a couple of guys that could be diamonds in the rough or who could be total busts.

Mecca 01-15-2009 06:11 PM
Well at this point I think we should all hope it's a QB because well anyone who wants an end none of these guys are worth these picks...

DrRyan 01-15-2009 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 5394947)
I am unsure where you attended school, but 21 Pro Bowlers divided by 34 picks equals 61.7%. Are you exaggerating the stats in your favor a little bit? Now, to answer your response before you give it to us. 61% of top 5 QB picks making it to the Pro Bowl is just great, just an outstanding accomplishment, but only 20% of them have won Super Bowls. Isn't that what we all want? Did you listen to what Pioli had to say the other day? Building a team and he is not looking for Pro Bowlers. "Players go to the Pro Bowl, Teams win Super Bowls."

The Franchise 01-15-2009 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5394766)
Using Tom Brady as example is foolish. Complete and utter foolishness. How many QB's in the history of the NFL were selected in the 6th round that didn't amount to a hill of beans?

In hindsight, Tom Brady would have been the number one overall pick in 2000, bar none. He's a Hall Of Famer in waiting. The same goes for Joe Montana. Just because Montana was chosen in the third round doesn't automatically make ANY third round choice a potential Hall of Famer.

Stupid, stupid comparison.

Drew Brees was the FIRST pick of the 2nd round, not the last. Furthermore, his slide was predicated on the fact that the teams above him did NOT need a QB.

The Chiefs NEED the most talented QB they can find and if it's Stafford or Sanchez, either will be the finest QB that the Chiefs have ever drafted in ANY round.
He was the last.

2nd round 32nd selection Drew Brees Purdue San Diego Chargers

Take a look at 2001
http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/ful...?type=position

OnTheWarpath15 01-15-2009 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by greyhoodie (Post 5394960)
Odd are probably also increased if you have a shutdown corner or a future hof running back or a defensive end that leads the league in sacks. Point being that a there are plenty of areas to add a difference maker.
Exactly.

People keep forgetting that this is a TEAM sport.

Why are there 3 #1 QB's left in the playoffs?

They play on great TEAMS.

Christ, one of them is there with a ROOKIE. I think that speaks to how solid the TEAM is.

aturnis 01-15-2009 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5394940)
Whoa, Cowboy.

It absolutely means SOMETHING.

If it were a meaningless stat, why would anyone bother drafting a QB in the first round, much like guards and centers?

If it were such a meaningless stat, why are 3 out of the 4 remaining teams left in the 2008 playoffs helmed by first round QB's?

Regardless of the fact that no QB drafted in the 5th and 7th rounds have never won a Super Bowl and regardless of the fact that four Super Bowls were won by Joe Montana (a third round choice) and three were won by Tom Brady (6th rounder), the best chance of winning the Super Bowl is with a first round selection.

Brady and Montana were anomalies that skew the stats. Both weren't "System QB's" that won on flukes. It was fluke that both were overlooked by scouts. In hindsight, there's absolutely no question that both would have gone number one overall in their respective draft years.

It's not a fluke that both are Hall of Fame players.
b/c 3 out of 4 teams left in the hunt have the top 3 defenses? Not to mention the other did VERY well with turnovers?

OnTheWarpath15 01-15-2009 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5394963)
Well at this point I think we should all hope it's a QB because well anyone who wants an end none of these guys are worth these picks...
I'm assuming that wasn't directed at me.

There's a difference in wanting a guy like Stafford or Sanchez (which I do) and believing that you HAVE to have a 1st round QB to win a SB.

The Franchise 01-15-2009 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5394969)
Exactly.

People keep forgetting that this is a TEAM sport.

Why are there 3 #1 QB's left in the playoffs?

They play on great TEAMS.

Christ, one of them is there with a ROOKIE. I think that speaks to how solid the TEAM is.
It also helps that 3 out of the 4 teams had top 10 defenses this season.

Mecca 01-15-2009 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5394977)
I'm assuming that wasn't directed at me.

There's a difference in wanting a guy like Stafford or Sanchez (which I do) and believing that you HAVE to have a 1st round QB to win a SB.
My brain is really hurting after reading those posts from DT and the Samoan guy about there being no QB's worth being picked in the first 2 rounds..

There should be some kind of intelligence test you have to pass to post.

OnTheWarpath15 01-15-2009 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 5394976)
b/c 3 out of 4 teams left in the hunt have the top 3 defenses? Not to mention the other did VERY well with turnovers?
Exactly.

Anyone watch Inside the NFL last night?

The entire crew thinks Eli Manning is no better than the 10th-15th best QB in the league.

Three guys who played in the league, one of them as a SB winning QB, and they think he's average.

Yet, he's won a Super Bowl, so people here think he's the greatest ****ing thing since sliced bread.

OnTheWarpath15 01-15-2009 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 5394983)
My brain is really hurting after reading those posts from DT and the Samoan guy about there being no QB's worth being picked in the first 2 rounds..

There should be some kind of intelligence test you have to pass to post.
Yeah, someone has been huffing a bit too much paint thinner.


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