Leaf - spread
Couch - spread/Mike Leach
Smith - spread
Grossman - Spurrier's Fun N Gun
Ware - Run N Shoot
Young - Spread
Vick - Option

Seems like a good pick for a WR :hmmm:

Don't show Haley or Piolis this list!

Stafford has started alot of game.. just not impressed.. Sanchez I AM impressed with but... 16 games? Sorry, but the STATS are on my side... I am perfectly willing to be wrong... but so far.. no one has made a halfway decent argument as to WHY I am....

and your point is?

ok, half of my not even close to complete list were "gimmick" college players... I can add another 4 or 5 that weren't.... the argument is... what JUNIORS have succeeded in the NFL... maybe I am wrong and it is now TIME for JUNIORS to succeed... but HISTORY shows otherwise so far...

ANYONE have a valid statistical argument to contradict me?

What suprizes me is that there have been no kickers or punters drafted #3

Well Ben Roethlisberger was an underclassman...

I can throw up alot of arguments about why it's felt to be important. Most guys who declared early were big stat, system guys who wanted to get paid..Akili Smith comes to mind a guy who failed as a baseball player then returned to college to play football had his 1 good season and bolted.

Most of the time people don't like to take underclassmen because they haven't been well coached and they are unrefined so they'll need more work. The fact is with a guy like Sanchez he's been well coached he isn't going to learn anything else in college...

There are a huge list of seniors that have failed aswell, hell when you get out of the 1st round you're talking about basically a 5% chance of finding a franchise QB yet people always seem to want to do that.

It's about finding a guy who has the natural physical talent, the makeup and intangibles to lead your team and your franchise a guy with the desire to live and breathe nothing but the game so much so watching film is something he wants and loves to do not something he considers work.

I think Sanchez has the makeup to be a successful QB and he has supreme physical talent, and he's been very well coached in a pro style offense he properly drops, takes snaps and sets up and throws properly.

He's had responsibility for plays at SC you don't see him looking to the sideline for audibles.

I think the experience thing would mean something if you could show me something he doesn't do well because he needs more experience but that isn't the case with this guy.

I'm going to borrow a post I saw on another forum because it sums up the underclassmen QB thing pretty well...

Jake Delhomme
Jeff Garcia
Marc Bulger
Matt Hasselbeck
David Garrard
Kerry Collins
Steve DeBerg
Dave Kreig
etc...

Austin, I, too, am not sure what your hang up is over junior QB’s? It’s scouting and not stats that determine if a player is worth a draft pick. It seems to it’s a matter of whether a QB has the talent, skills, intellect, attitude, etc. to be a great NFL QB or not? If he does, he can gain the experience in the NFL, if … (last year that would have been a giant IF for us) he received the coaching/opportunity by the team. You can teach experience but you can’t teach the intangibles.

You say Sanchez started 16 games. I just looked up Tom Brady’s info on Wikipedia and it says he won 20 of 25. That’s 9 more games started but not a whole heck of a lot. Both, had to sit behind really good QB’s for years. (With Tom’s credentials, I wonder how in the world he could have been overlooked … I mean % of wins, championships, intellect, etc.??? Guess Pioli/N.E. recognized his greatness when Carl really didn’t know talent???, but that’s a side issue.)

I noticed Brady graduated cum laude. Intelligence is a huge factor for a QB. Anybody know Sanchez/Stafford’s IQ?

DeezNutz ... I agree, with you, that Sanchez is not a junior. He may be in football eligibility but not in school classification. Stafford has started more games than most drafted seniors. Both are more mature than a college freshman starting his first game, so it shouldn’t be an issue. Scouting is the issue. And, I humbly yield to Scott/Todd to make the determinations for all of our picks.

So what is everyones theory that Haley will want a "Fitzgerald type" WR and take Crabtree at #3?

The dominant reply to this will be that Crabtree is not near the prospect that Fitz was and certainly not worth the #3 overall pick.

Additionally, it sure doesn't help that Crabtree is refusing to run the 40.

70% of statistics are over-rated.

ROFL

Delhomme, Collins and Hasselbeck are average?

I'm sorry but this discussion is over. You clearly don't understand the difference between a bust (someone who NEVER had a career), an average QB, an above average QB and guys who have led their respective teams to the Super Bowl.

JFC.

Taking your team to the Super Bowl isn't the end all be all to a QB being great. Trent Dilfer was an average QB too, and he won a Super Bowl.

You obviously have much lower expectations than I do for someone who we will draft at number 3. At that slot we need a game changer, and none of those players I listed are that.

Just because someone is a starter on a team other than the Chiefs, that doesn't mean that they are above average. All of those guys I listed are average NFL starting QBs in my opinion. Much more so than Joey Harrington, that's for sure.

How many of the guys off that list would you be happy with if we could draft that player at #3?

Spot on, and I'm making some room in my sig for that quote as we speak.

OK, you got me thinking about this and if maybe I was being too hard on some of these QBs. So, I listed each starting QB from last year and where I would rank them roughly. Where do you disagree that Delhomme, Collins or Hasselbeck should move up this list? And where would Harrington fit in here. By definition, average would be anything in the middle group, numbers 10 or 11 through about 21.


1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Drew Brees
4. Donovan McNabb
5. Ben Roethlisberger
6. Kurt Warner
7. Tony Romo
8. Phillip Rivers
9. Jay Cutler
10. Eli Manning
11. Carson Palmer
12. Matt Ryan
13. Aaron Rogers
14. Matt Hasselbeck
15. David Garrard
16. Marc Bulger
17. Kerry Collins
18. Chad Pennington
19. Jeff Garcia
20. Matt Shaub
21. Brett Favre
22. Trent Edwards
23. Joe Flacco
24. Jake Delhomme
25. Jason Campbell
26. Kyle Orton
27. Tyler Thigpen
28. Shaun Hill
29. Brady Quinn
30. JaMarcus Russell
31. Tarvaris Jackson
32. Dan Orlovsky