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DeezNutz 02-25-2009 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5525771)
Not everyone is in agreement that they have that "best talent", unless you're restricting the discussion strictly to this year's draft. Not a single running back broke a 4.3, for example, so that doesn't mean that the player who ran the closest to it should somehow be treated as if he did. Sometimes, the best of a bad lot is still bad. Many people here put Stafford and Sanchez in that category. They shouldn't be insulted the way these clowns have been insulting them every time they "dare" assert that opinion.

Both have their shortcomings, there's no doubt about that.

I can understand the concerns surrounding Sanchez much more, but I'll continue to state that if anyone doesn't think that Stafford is a very, very worthy top-3 selection as a QB, that person will never find a QB prospect that he likes.

DeezNutz 02-25-2009 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5525786)
So, do you think next year's QB class is going to be better?

And this raises the most important question that Pioli and co. must answer:

If not now, how and when? Because the possibilities start to become even more cloudy very quickly.

Just Passin' By 02-25-2009 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 5525786)
So, do you think next year's QB class is going to be better?

I won't know until I see who declares. It should be deeper and more interesting, but as for "better", it's too soon to tell.

Reerun_KC 02-25-2009 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5525701)
its not literal.. at the time 14 people in the poll said it had to be a QB.

it kinda stuck, so now its more a symbolic thing.

you know....

I think I was one of those 14, was just wanting to verify it...:D

DeezNutz 02-25-2009 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5525801)
I won't know until I see who declares. It should be deeper and more interesting, but as for "better", it's too soon to tell.

Let's assume Bradford goes 1/1 like a lot of mocks from this year had him tabbed. The rest of the "top" guys are a joke. McCoy and Tebow.

From here, you start to talk about projects, as if these top guys aren't this already.

Chiefnj2 02-25-2009 11:46 AM

"we see Matt Stafford and Mark Sanchez as two of the best quarterback prospects of the last five years"

Reerun_KC 02-25-2009 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5525801)
I won't know until I see who declares. It should be deeper and more interesting, but as for "better", it's too soon to tell.

Lets put it this way JPB, Lets just hope for argument sake that our GM and HC are looking down the ol draft pipe more than just this year.. Lets pray they are looking at needs 2-3 years down the line and have guys they are "already" looking at and trying to figure our how and what they need to complete a team...


I hope they are looking at the QB position along with next years draft and wondering if they really want to wait unitl 2011 to pick a QB, Maybe they have one already picked out in 2011 and want to build the team first?

Maybe they have LB's slotted for the mid rounds this year and DE's high next? Maybe they have a kicker that they want to select 1st over all and move him to safety???

Moral to the story is, lets hope they are smarter than the fanbase whom cant see their face despite their nose. Lets just hope they have a plan that will start to fall into place this draft and they dont waver from it.

Just Passin' By 02-25-2009 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 5525814)
Let's assume Bradford goes 1/1 like a lot of mocks from this year had him tabbed. The rest of the "top" guys are a joke. McCoy and Tebow.

From here, you start to talk about projects, as if these top guys aren't this already.

You call them jokes. I don't agree with that. You need to stop listening to the "Gang", because they don't know what the hell they are talking about. They may succeed or fail, but they are not jokes.

Pioli Zombie 02-25-2009 11:50 AM

1. Lions Matt Stafford
2. Rams Mark Sanchez
3. Chiefs ___________ ?

what then? Who?

Reerun_KC 02-25-2009 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie (Post 5525839)
1. Lions Matt Stafford
2. Rams Mark Sanchez
3. Chiefs ___________ ?

what then? Who?

Rams dumping Bulger?

That would be an ass load of money for 2 QB's...

Just Passin' By 02-25-2009 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 5525830)
Lets put it this way JPB, Lets just hope for argument sake that our GM and HC are looking down the ol draft pipe more than just this year.. Lets pray they are looking at needs 2-3 years down the line and have guys they are "already" looking at and trying to figure our how and what they need to complete a team...


I hope they are looking at the QB position along with next years draft and wondering if they really want to wait unitl 2011 to pick a QB, Maybe they have one already picked out in 2011 and want to build the team first?

Maybe they have LB's slotted for the mid rounds this year and DE's high next? Maybe they have a kicker that they want to select 1st over all and move him to safety???

Moral to the story is, lets hope they are smarter than the fanbase whom cant see their face despite their nose. Lets just hope they have a plan that will start to fall into place this draft and they dont waver from it.

If they think Stafford/Sanchez is "the man", they need to pull the trigger to get that guy, even if that means they trade up to the #1 spot to get him. If they don't think either one is "the man", they need to look elsewhere. Hopefully, the portion of the fanbase that thinks it's smarter than any College or NFL head coach will finally figure out that they aren't.

DeezNutz 02-25-2009 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5525838)
You call them jokes. I don't agree with that. You need to stop listening to the "Gang", because they don't know what the hell they are talking about. They may succeed or fail, but they are not jokes.

I'm not listening to anyone.

McCoy: 6'3" 205--sound familiar? Factor in the spread.
Tebow: Cannot make all the necessary NFL throws.

This is from me. If you see some agreement from others, it might be that this is a pretty realistic set of points.

Reerun_KC 02-25-2009 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5525867)
If they think Stafford/Sanchez is "the man", they need to pull the trigger to get that guy, even if that means they trade up to the #1 spot to get him. If they don't think either one is "the man", they need to look elsewhere. Hopefully, the portion of the fanbase that thinks it's smarter than any College or NFL head coach will finally figure out that they aren't.


But then your acting like your smarter than any College or NFL Head Coach with those comments...

Why are you right and everyone else is wrong?

What they both grade out equally by the Staff and they dont trade up and take whom is left at #3???

keg in kc 02-25-2009 12:00 PM

Yo guy ar moronz. Tebow's gonna refolushuize the qatarbak posishun.

milkman 02-25-2009 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5525838)
You call them jokes. I don't agree with that. You need to stop listening to the "Gang", because they don't know what the hell they are talking about. They may succeed or fail, but they are not jokes.

They may not be jokes, but the fact is all three of those guys will have a huge adjustment to make to transition to the NFL, and none of them have the physical tools that Stafford or Sanchez has.

I really believe that in the right system with good coaching, Sam Bradford will have a good NFL career, but he's a guy that will have to sit and learn for two years, at the least.

But he doesn't have Sanchez's arm strength, much less Stafford's, and he has a long way to go before he can even hope to compete with Sanchez's mechanics.


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