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MIAdragon 02-26-2009 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5529053)
At the risk of appearing to take "your side", there was a reason I came back.

While I was lurking as a bystander, I found myself constantly thinking to myself "I swear, it's like the CHIEFS drafted Ryan Leaf or Akili Smith."

It's like the last 25 years of Chiefs drafts have been completely forgotten.

I FULLY understand not wanting to draft Sanchez if you think he's going to be bust (and I do think there's a good chance he could be), but WHO ELSE ARE YOU GOING TO DRAFT? Curry? Monroe? Why don't we just skip the draft if we're not willing to take a risk?

We just got THE MOST COVETED GM prospect in ALL OF FOOTBALL. Why not DREAM A LITTLE?!?!?! :)

Great post, stick around for a while!

Just Passin' By 02-26-2009 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5528966)
The point is, the Leaf selection barely set the franchise back AT ALL. And in the end, the selection of Leaf put them in a position to draft one of the best RB's of this era. To act like it was some kind of franchise-killing debacle is ridiculous.

Not at all. To use it as one example of many shows the point. Leaf is an easy example because he was recent, but I've given many examples from different teams. Furthermore, even San Diego's recovery took time and luck:

1-15
5-11
8-8
4-12
12-4
9-7

Even with the good fortune of getting Brees (IN ROUND 2), and then Rivers (+ picks), it took the Chargers 5 years to put it together.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5528966)
What does pissing away a #2 pick in 1998 have to do with people not wanting to piss away the #3 pick in 2009? Exactly.

I'm not sure why you're saying "exactly", but whatever works for you.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-26-2009 10:42 AM

FWIW,

Since we took Blackledge, the following teams have not spent a first rounder on a QB:

New Orleans
St. Louis
Kansas City.

That's it.

Mecca 02-26-2009 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5529053)
At the risk of appearing to take "your side", there was a reason I came back.

While I was lurking as a bystander, I found myself constantly thinking to myself "I swear, it's like the CHIEFS drafted Ryan Leaf or Akili Smith."

It's like the last 25 years of Chiefs drafts have been completely forgotten.

I FULLY understand not wanting to draft Sanchez if you think he's going to be bust (and I do think there's a good chance he could be), but WHO ELSE ARE YOU GOING TO DRAFT? Curry? Monroe? Why don't we just skip the draft if we're not willing to take a risk?

We just got THE MOST COVETED GM prospect in ALL OF FOOTBALL. Why not DREAM A LITTLE?!?!?! :)

Most of our fan base still doesn't understand the positional value of a LB being taken with a top 3 pick is like being raped in the ass with a steel pipe, but they will just gladly bend over and take it happily.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-26-2009 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5529023)

The rapist stuff is idiotic. The racial stuff is idiotic. The question about what hiring his brother demonstrates is valid, but because it goes to decision making,.

Except for the fact that his brother was only an adviser and he has a real sports agent, but don't let your lack of knowledge of the facts skew you from making a dumbass statement.

Just Passin' By 02-26-2009 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5529064)
How many playoff wins has Leonard Davis participated in, by chance? There's a reason you don't draft OG and hand them $40-60M. You need that money for other positions and if you have that money wrapped up in a G, you can't afford a DE, or QB, or OT that you need to get over the hump.

See, this is just another red herring. How many playoffs wins has Ryan Leaf guided the Chargers to? Few people dispute that the QB position is the most important position on a football team. That doesn't mean any particular QB is a good or bad pick at any point on a draft board.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-26-2009 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5529068)
it took the Chargers 5 years to put it together.

I forgot about all the success we've had the last 40 ****ing years. Thanks.

Mecca 02-26-2009 10:45 AM

Should I be nice to a guy who's trying to say Matt Ryan has a huge arm...I don't think so.

doomy3 02-26-2009 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5529082)
Except for the fact that his brother was only an adviser and he has a real sports agent, but don't let your lack of knowledge of the facts skew you from making a dumbass statement.

Actually I think you have that backwards, and the real agent is just advising and his brother is his agent, but I could be wrong.

Just Passin' By 02-26-2009 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5529082)
Except for the fact that his brother was only an adviser and he has a real sports agent, but don't let your lack of knowledge of the facts skew you from making a dumbass statement.

And here you go again with your stupidity. I said it was a valid question. I never claimed that the responses on either side were right or wrong.

But being a complete idiot and jumping on innocuous statements made by others seems to be what you do best.

htismaqe 02-26-2009 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5529068)
Not at all. To use it as one example of many shows the point. Leaf is an easy example because he was recent, but I've given many examples from different teams. Furthermore, even San Diego's recovery took time and luck:

1-15
5-11
8-8
4-12
12-4
9-7

Even with the good fortune of getting Brees (IN ROUND 2), and then Rivers (+ picks), it took the Chargers 5 years to put it together.

I'm not sure why you're saying "exactly", but whatever works for you.

It took them 5 years to put it together. It's taken us SIXTEEN (if you want to count the Joe Montana AFC Championship game). Good lord man!

And I said "exactly" because you know deep down that the Ryan Sims debacle HAS EVERY BIT the impact on Chiefs fans as Ryan Leaf, if not more so. Ryan Sims was considered to be the "safest" DT in that draft - Haynesworth had character issues, Wendell Bryant was a pothead, and John Henderson had back problems. Ryan Sims is EXACTLY the kind of player that people are clamoring for when they say they want Curry - SAFE. Well, guess what? Even the "safe" picks aren't safe.

The Chiefs didn't draft Ryan Leaf. Furthmore, Ryan Leaf isn't eligible for this draft. What happened in 1998 has pretty much zero bearing on the present, unless you're willing to admit that Mecca and Hamas are right and you're just scared of a Ryan Leaf-like scenario.

Live a little. We got Pioli! We got a young coach that was just in the Super Bowl. This is the best Chiefs offseason EVER! There's no better time than now to take a flyer on a QB. If he busts, so be it. I've been a fan for thirty years - it's time to take some risks.

DaKCMan AP 02-26-2009 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5528926)
Well, considering he was drafted in 1998 and they were back in the playoffs by 2004, I don't think it set them back too bad. Plus they got LT out of the deal.

The Chargers have won 3 playoff games since drafting Ryan Leaf #2 overall. We've won 3 playoff games since drafting NEIL SMITH #2 overall.

Let me rephrase that - what was the long-term value of the Ryan Sims pick?

Holy hell, good to see you post again!

htismaqe 02-26-2009 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5529086)
See, this is just another red herring. How many playoffs wins has Ryan Leaf guided the Chargers to? Few people dispute that the QB position is the most important position on a football team. That doesn't mean any particular QB is a good or bad pick at any point on a draft board.

Talk about red herrings...

I'm not sure how to even respond. That just didn't make much sense, sorry.

Mecca 02-26-2009 10:53 AM

I'd rather have to draft 2 QB's in a 5 year span to get it right than be so afraid of one that I never took one in 20 years.

CrazyHorse 02-26-2009 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5528892)
Here's the 64K question:

Next year's class has no viable prospects from pro systems.

Are you going to burn another high pick on a guy like Bradford, who will have an even greater learning curve from college to the NFL than Sanchez?

You do realize that Sanchez can sit and learn, yes? That no one on here is advocating him starting opening day?

Do you also realize that this team has 7 playoff wins in history, 6 of which were by HOF QBs. The other one came against Todd Marinovich.

The list of QBs who have beaten us in the playoffs in the last 20 years is a laundry list of HOFers.

It also takes a QB 3 years to develop. By the time you build this fictitious team and then get the QB, what do you have? At best, the 2008 Ravens, a solid all around team whose QB isn't yet good enough to make a drive when they need one.

Does everyone really want the 1990's again?

If I personally picked Sanchez it would be out of desperation. Not because I thougt he was the best player. Is that the way to build a winner?

I'm in my mid 40's and have been a Chiefs fan for all of those senarios you guys speak of. But a knee jerk reaction is not the answer either. I've also seen how that works out.

I realize you think the guy will get it done in the long run. I don't. That's the difference.

You want to keep throwing up the history of the Chiefs in my face as a valid arguement of what not to do. However, you skate the same way of evaluating the player you want. If you look at history, Sanchez will bust.

Does that make it 100% absolute that it will happen? No. But there is no QB that has ever been taken that has succeeded under these circumstances.

Not drafting a player like that doesn't make you scared, it makes you dilligent.


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