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bdeg 03-02-2009 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by orange (Post 5548005)
Build their front seven for a 3-4. They probably have ROLB (Dumervil) and one ILB (Williams) and a serviceable NT (Thomas). Everything else plus an upgrade at NT are options.

You think Marcus Thomas is a NT? He seems more like an end in that system.

He weighs 305

You guys didn't hang onto Sam Adams did you?

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-02-2009 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5548001)
It is funny how it worked out, because in all likelihood they would have drafted PSU RB Blair Thomas, who was supposedly an elite RB that year and he ended up being a colossal bust.

Still, I don't think it's fair to say that you can't criticize this move because JJ has rings. That would be like someone telling you not to criticize the Cassel trade or Pioli's recent drafting history because he has rings. Most Cowboys fans still consider that JJ's worst mistake, and it could have cost them dearly.

Trading Walsh netted the Cowboys three draft picks that helped them build that dynasty.

orange 03-02-2009 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bdeg (Post 5548017)
You think Marcus Thomas is a NT? He seems more like an end in that system.

He weighs 305

You guys didn't hang onto Sam Adams did you?

No on Sam Adams.

Broncos had a very good NT once who was smaller than Thomas - of course that was 25 years ago... Hmmm.

In any case, I suspect Thomas will be used as a utility guy wherever they can put him, hence the "upgrade at NT" I mentioned.

eazyb81 03-02-2009 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5548014)
Uh, no it wouldn't.

You're criticizing a decision that directly led to THREE Super Bowl rings.

At the TIME, sure criticize away. In retrospect, it appears he knows exactly what he was doing.

There is no comparison between that, and criticizing Pioli for a decision that we won't be able to determine as a failure or success for several years, especially when the rings in question have nothing to do with this particular decisiojnn.

Oh for ****'s sake, yes it would. You have not held back at all in criticizing the Patriots drafting, yet Pioli has THREE rings. It's the exact same f'n thing.

In regards to the Walsh move, he did not just "know what he was doing", because he actually received worse value than the #1 pick. Just because the players he picked worked out does not erase the fact that he made a poor choice and it ended up giving his team worse value.

If I get pissed at my tv and throw it out the window, only to find $1000 inside it, that still doesn't mean I made a good decision - I just got lucky.

The Franchise 03-02-2009 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by orange (Post 5548005)
Build their front seven for a 3-4. They probably have ROLB (Dumervil) and one ILB (Williams) and a serviceable NT (Thomas). Everything else plus an upgrade at NT are options.

It was a joke douche. Just for that......I'm taking a RB.

OnTheWarpath15 03-02-2009 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 5548030)
Oh for ****'s sake, yes it would. You have not held back at all in criticizing the Patriots drafting, yet Pioli has THREE rings. It's the exact same f'n thing.

In regards to the Walsh move, he did not just "know what he was doing", because he actually received worse value than the #1 pick. Just because the players he picked worked out does not erase the fact that he made a poor choice and it ended up giving his team worse value.

If I get pissed at my tv and throw it out the window, only to find $1000 inside it, that still doesn't mean I made a good decision - I just got lucky.

What part of this do you not get?

How did Johnson GET those 3 rings?

They were a direct result of the decision in question.

Pioli's rings have nothing to do with the Kansas City Chiefs.

In retrospect, we know that Johnson's decision was a good one, therefore it is stupid to criticize him.

It's not the same as claiming Scott Pioli can do no wrong because he has 3 rings to his name, that he earned with a different ****ing team.

But whatever, suit yourself. I really don't give a shit, other than the fact that there have been 7 selections, but 70+ posts whining about Hamas' ****ing pick.

Direckshun 03-02-2009 03:01 PM

Then I 100% expect Hamas to draft for a 4-3 defense, since, you know, he simply gets to off the ownership of the team and build things his way.

orange 03-02-2009 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23 (Post 5548055)
It was a joke douche. Just for that......I'm taking a RB.

If he's healthy, he'll have a leg up on the rest.

'Hamas' Jenkins 03-02-2009 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 5548066)
Then I 100% expect Hamas to draft for a 4-3 defense, since, you know, he simply gets to off the ownership of the team and build things his way.


ChiefsCountry 03-02-2009 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 5548020)
Trading Walsh netted the Cowboys three draft picks that helped them build that dynasty.

I think it was Alvin Harper they got with that pick.

OnTheWarpath15 03-02-2009 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 5548066)
Then I 100% expect Hamas to draft for a 4-3 defense, since, you know, he simply gets to off the ownership of the team and build things his way.

Has anyone from the Chiefs said what scheme they are running?

Haley dodged the question again today.

What would you guys have done if the mock started Friday?

Who would you be looking to pile on then?

I doubt Eric Decosta calls up Billy Devaney and rakes him over the coals for decisions he's made.

Let it go, and have some fun.

eazyb81 03-02-2009 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 5548059)
What part of this do you not get?

How did Johnson GET those 3 rings?

They were a direct result of the decision in question.

No, his SB rings were most definitely not a result of picking Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft and giving up his 1st round pick.

The Cowboys ended up giving up a #1 pick for three picks from the Saints, and the 1st rounder from that deal was used on Russell Maryland. However, Johnson admitted a few years later that the Walsh move was a mistake because they had to give up the 1st, and the top player on their board that year was Junior Seau.

So they could have had Junior Seau if they never made the bone-headed decision to take Walsh with a supp pick after already using a top pick on Aikman, but you seriously want to point to that move as the reason he has 3 rings. Yikes.

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Pioli's rings have nothing to do with the Kansas City Chiefs.
Of course they don't, I never said they did. However, you have criticized Pioli's draft record, despite the fact that his 3 SB rings are - using your words - a direct result of his drafting. You have a circular argument here that doesn't work.

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In retrospect, we know that Johnson's decision was a good one, therefore it is stupid to criticize him.
Odd, Johnson has said himself it was a poor move and most Cowboys fans consider it the worst move he ever made. Plus the value he received out of those picks do not come close to equaling the value of the #1 overall pick he gave up.

But you say it's a good one. Hmmm.

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It's not the same as claiming Scott Pioli can do no wrong because he has 3 rings to his name, that he earned with a different ****ing team.

But whatever, suit yourself. I really don't give a shit, other than the fact that there have been 7 selections, but 70+ posts whining about Hamas' ****ing pick.
I could give a shit who he picks in a fantasy mock draft, but I'm certainly going to point out major inaccuracies in your examples used to defend it.

Mr. Flopnuts 03-02-2009 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Spicy McHaggis (Post 5547934)
I thought about Raji simply from a talent standpoint but the Raiders have tied up in insane amount of $$$ in bad DT's lately and I don't want to stack a top 10 contract on top of it.

The Pudgy Wonder needs someone to throw to. That person might be Michael Crabtree. However, he's not going to have a 40 time. And Al Davis loves his 40 times.

The choice may shock some but I think the Faders go Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
over the possession type wideout Crabtree projects as.

That's ballsy. I love the pick.

Archie Bunker 03-02-2009 03:21 PM

First off I'd like to give Hamas and Spicy a big 4321 for screwing up my top 2 options. :evil:

After much cussing and desperation this club has decided to roll the dice and take a player I have pissed on since day one of draft talk.

The Jacksonville Jaguars select,

Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech

eazyb81 03-02-2009 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Archie Bunker (Post 5548161)
First off I'd like to give Hamas and Spicy a big 4321 for screwing up my top 2 options. :evil:

After much cussing and desperation this club has decided to roll the dice and take a player I have pissed on since day one of draft talk.

The Jacksonville Jaguars select,

Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech

Nice, I was wondering when he would go off the board.


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