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beer bacon 03-14-2009 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 5582214)
I think OU gets a higher seed than both MU & KU and OU hasn't won shit this year right?

OU will get a higher seed. If the college basketball season was broken into its three parts, here is how the selection committee would rank them. #1 being most important for seeding:

1. Non-conference (body-of-work)
2. Conference play
3. Conference tournament

doomy3 03-14-2009 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by WoodDraw (Post 5582213)
I don't "value" anything more. Everything factors in.

Well, you said their resumes were similar. If they are similar, and one finished first in conference and one finished third, and the third place team wins the conference tournament, then you say MU is more deserving, isn't that valuing the tournament more then the regular season championship?

beer bacon 03-14-2009 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5582217)
Well, MU got dominated by Texas A&M in their last regular season game with a lot on the line. Also, they lost by 25 to KU in their third to last game. Those are pretty bad losses as well.

I guess if you lose to Baylor tonight, it won't be as bad as KU losing to them, because it's in the championship, right?

MU didn't get dominated by A&M. MU shot over 50% and still lost by 10 since A&M was lights out and shot over 60%.

doomy3 03-14-2009 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by beer bacon (Post 5582222)
MU didn't get dominated by A&M. MU shot over 50% and still lost by 10 since A&M was lights out and shot over 60%.

MU got destroyed the first half and came back to make the score closer than the game was. They were never in the game though.

And, by the way, as much as you are beating your chest about KU losing to Texas Tech, the exact same thing could be said about that game. TT shot absolutely lights out that game, and KU still had a chance to win it at the end.

eazyb81 03-14-2009 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5582217)
Well, MU got dominated by Texas A&M in their last regular season game with a lot on the line. Also, they lost by 25 to KU in their third to last game. Those are pretty bad losses as well.

I guess if you lose to Baylor tonight, it won't be as bad as KU losing to them, because it's in the championship, right?

Well to be fair, I'm not sure anyone would call a 10 point loss getting "dominated."

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall any committee members saying they factored in point differential. So thump your chest all you want, but a loss is a loss in their eyes.

Stewie 03-14-2009 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper16 (Post 5582218)
I wouldn't characterize it as a comeback. For that post to be a "comeback," I would have to be responding towards a comment directed at me. As far as I can tell, you were directing the original post to who ever else exists in your land of imagination.

So, your response wasn't directed at me? I'm pretty sure it was. I posted and you responded to the post. That is, in an incongruous, poor grammar sort of way.

beer bacon 03-14-2009 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5582225)
MU got destroyed the first half and came back to make the score closer than the game was. They were never in the game though.

And, by the way, as much as you are beating your chest about KU losing to Texas Tech, the exact same thing could be said about that game. TT shot absolutely lights out that game, and KU still had a chance to win it at the end.

Hahaha, you lost by 19 to Texas Tech.

KChiefs1 03-14-2009 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by beer bacon (Post 5582219)
OU will get a higher seed. If the college basketball season was broken into its three parts, here is how the selection committee would rank them. #1 being most important for seeding:

1. Non-conference (body-of-work)
2. Conference play
3. Conference tournament

I agree with this...I was responding to doomy because he said KU deserved a better seed over MU because they won the conference.

OU will end up with a better seed than KU & what did OU win?

IMHO...MU, OU & KU all have similar resumes.

doomy3 03-14-2009 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by beer bacon (Post 5582230)
Hahaha, you lost by 19 to Texas Tech.

Oh yeah, we did get dominated that game. Sorry, tried to wipe that one out of my memory and had it kind of mixed up with Baylor.

WoodDraw 03-14-2009 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 5582220)
Well, you said their resumes were similar. If they are similar, and one finished first in conference and one finished third, and the third place team wins the conference tournament, then you say MU is more deserving, isn't that valuing the tournament more then the regular season championship?

The season doesn't end with the regular season. I said their resumes were similar, taking into account all games played all season, including the nonconf, conference, and tournament play. I think you can make an argument for any of the three teams deserving a #2 seed, as we've seen here.

doomy3 03-14-2009 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1 (Post 5582231)
I agree with this...I was responding to doomy because he said KU deserved a better seed over MU because they won the conference.

OU will end up with a better seed than KU & what did OU win?

IMHO...MU, OU & KU all have similar resumes.


:spock:

You wanna show me where I said that?

As far as I know, the only thing I have said about where they should be seeded is where I said they should be lumped in with OU, Duke, Villanova for the remaining #2 seeds...

Stewie 03-14-2009 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WoodDraw (Post 5582233)
The season doesn't end with the regular season.

The problem is that some league's seasons do end after the regular season.

beer bacon 03-14-2009 02:41 PM

Here is a stupid hypothetical. IF KU's and MU's positions were reversed. That is, if MU had finished third in conference, but in the top 15 in the nation. If KU was playing in the Big 12 Championship today, but had only had to beat one mediocre team and one good but not great team to get there. If basically the rest of the elite teams had lost in the last two or three days...would KU be getting talked about as a potential #1 seed right now?

Reaper16 03-14-2009 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Stewie (Post 5582229)
So, your response wasn't directed at me? I'm pretty sure it was. I posted and you responded to the post. That is, in an incongruous, poor grammar sort of way.

I was sure as Hell responding to your post. But that response wouldn't be characterized as a comeback, because the post of yours that I responded to wasn't directed at me. It was directed at whoever would believe your fraudulent depiction of MU fans.

Now, your response to my post, where you called my post a comeback? THAT was a comeback.

doomy3 03-14-2009 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by beer bacon (Post 5582240)
Here is a stupid hypothetical. IF KU's and MU's positions were reversed. That is, if MU had finished third in conference, but in the top 15 in the nation. If KU was playing in the Big 12 Championship today, but had only had to beat one mediocre team and one good but not great team to get there. If basically the rest of the elite teams had lost in the last two or three days...would KU be getting talked about as a potential #1 seed right now?

Not if KU had finished third in conference.

But yes, if KU had won conference like they did and were now playing for the tourney championship. I still think they would likely have ended up a #2 though. Probably the #1 two seed.


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