how in the hell would we know ANYTHING about any player on our defense with the coaches/scheme we have been using for the last few years?

I'm pretty sure we know a few things, coaching aside.

i dont agree(well maybe about the consensus on hali) IMO it remains to be seen

There are guys who simply don't have the physical skill set. Hali, Pollard, and Page, to start the list.

About the only player I'll listen to any argument about is DJ. And he's been in the league long enough that he is what he'll ever be. It's over. He's sub-par to average.

DJ MAY not have the "killer instinct" but pollard IMO might shine this year if they let him play more in the box.(his wrap-up HAS to get better though) and page is a ball-hawk

ROFL

Damnit, Sauto! Yeeeuuuuuuw fetch-a sake now! Chop Chop!

( no hate here Sauto, I would have laughed at that reference regardless of who it was directed at )

Okay, where to start.

#1) If you are going to act like you are a journalist, do some research. Subscribe to the archives of newspapers if necessary so you can go back and look at what the reaction was.

#2) DV hired GR because he knew the division, and DV had known him for 20 years.

#3) GR's schemes were based on outsmarting an opponent more than just solid defense. They wanted you to make a mistake. Remember, GR and DV used to say that a sack also means that you can't intercept the ball. GR was constantly in bend but don't break mode and force them into a mistake. When he first started in Denver, he had a novel approach. The league catches on to schemes. You can be a genius for a year or two, but the league catches up quickly.

Remember, the Chiefs players saying that GR treats football like Chess, but it is really more like checkers?

But, GR's schemes weren't his biggest problem. The players lost faith in him. And, the capper, the final straw was that at one point in the Indy game, right after Manning had completed a third down pass..... The players looked to him on the sidelines and he just shrugged. He didn't have an answer. The players look to the coaches for answers. You have to at least PRETEND to have one. When you are sitting there, clueless on the sideline just shrugging your shoulders as if you have already lost the game.... there is no coming back from that.

Two words. UCLA.

Yep. GRob was a staunch proponent of the "bend but don't break" defense. The idea is that a 15-play drive is nearly impossible without making a back-breaking mistake. To be honest, when implemented correctly, it does work. Unfortunately for DV and GRob, their defense never had to contend with long drives because they gave up an historic number of big plays.

There's not NEARLY the amount of talent on that Cardinals defense that you contend there is. They're light years ahead of the Chiefs, for sure, but they're not even close to Top 10 in terms of talent.

As a Chiefs fan I refuse to believe he is worse. It would be too much torment to allow myself to believe he is worse. So I'm covering my ears and I'm going to enjoy the games. Once Pendergast is fired I will allow myself to feel the hate.

The Cardinals never had a good enough defense to go 9-0...

GROB did.

Actually that's what LJ said about the Offensive play calling during the Herm Edwards era, but whatever.

They shouldn't be ranking 26th in defense is my point, not that they're awesome.

I'd say they had at least as much talent as 06/07 Chiefs.

How much of that was the coordinator? How much of it was something else? There's so many variables to include that bitching about Pendergast at this point just doesn't make much sense.