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htismaqe 04-29-2009 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by oldandslow (Post 5726814)
Oh, I don't know...you mean like the kind that wiped out 90% of the American Indian population or the ones that just wiped out 40% of the European population....

This one probably isn't bubonic or small pox or whatever, but someday one will be...

You're talking about pandemics that occured amongst primitive populations or in centuries before modern medicine.

Pants 04-29-2009 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut (Post 5726842)
What's sad is going to be when this thing is contained and people start whining about all of the fuss about it. The media is hyperbolic and irresponsible, shocker, but that doesn't mean a lot of people aren't working very hard on dealing with this.

I think the reason WHO and co. are going bonkers over this is because, like it's been said, the virus is brand new and we have 0 resistance to it compounded by the fact there is no vaccine designed for it. Well, it's not like the current vaccines for the known forms of influenza are 100% effective. I don't know the exact numbers, but every year a huge percentage of vaccinated people still get the flu.

I, myself, have never gotten the vaccine and I do usually get the flu every 2-3 years. Yeah, it's a miserable 3 days, but I see it as something out of our immediate control and just a reality we have to face. I'm sure hundreds of thousands, if not millions, will end up going through this in the US alone and I think the death rate will be comparable to what we experience every year.

htismaqe 04-29-2009 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut (Post 5726842)
The response is pretty hyperbolic, but it's still something that a lot of incredibly proficient people are rightly putting a lot of work into containing. Every single one of these things is an unknown quantity, at least until well after the fact, and prevention is a top priority for any of them.

Another, different lot of incredibly proficient people are putting a lot of work into scaring the bejesus out of the common person.

htismaqe 04-29-2009 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Metrolike (Post 5726873)
I think the reason WHO and co. are going bonkers over this is because, like it's been said, the virus is brand new and we have 0 resistance to it compounded by the fact there is no vaccine designed for it. Well, it's not like the current vaccines for the known forms of influenza are 100% effective. I don't know the exact numbers, but every year a huge percentage of vaccinated people still get the flu.

I, myself, have never gotten the vaccine and I do usually get the flu every 2-3 years. Yeah, it's a miserable 3 days, but I see it as something out of our immediate control and just a reality we have to face. I'm sure hundreds of thousands, if not millions, will end up going through this in the US alone and I think the death rate will be comparable to what we experience every year.

The reason the WHO is going bonkers is because 75% of the world's population lives in conditions that could actually make the flu DEADLY. I don't have a problem with the WHO.

I have a problem with the US media and our government acting like this is going to be a huge problem here.

RJ 04-29-2009 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5726862)
I can understand taking precautionary measures, but there were hundreds kids around here staying home before there was ever any confirmed cases NEAR here.

The chicken little-ness of it is ridiculous.


I think that might be in part because it's so near the end of the school year in most districts. At this time of year they're not doing anything important, at least not in the elementary schools. Schools right now are just a baby sitting service.

DenverChief 04-29-2009 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut (Post 5726861)
Just to clarify, the alert level is related to the spread of it rather than its severity.

The baby got it in Mexico, as it turns out.

Understood on both levels...and as she pointed out, the full spectrum of this virus is not yet understood, we may have seen the worst or may not


and yes they got it in Mexico but died in the care of an American Medical facility

DenverChief 04-29-2009 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5726866)
1) It was an INFANT.

2) Said infant already had a compromised immune system.

3) Apparently, said infant was a MEXICAN CITIZEN who was brought to Texas for treatment.

Please, this is STUPID.

ok so this advanced medical technology we have should have been able to treat it right?

007 04-29-2009 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RJ (Post 5726879)
I think that might be in part because it's so near the end of the school year in most districts. At this time of year they're not doing anything important, at least not in the elementary schools. Schools right now are just a baby sitting service.

:rolleyes::shake: You would be wrong. Especially on private schools.

007 04-29-2009 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 5726885)
ok so this advanced medical technology we have should have been able to treat it right?

not if the baby was already beyond help by the time the baby got here.

DenverChief 04-29-2009 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 5726892)
not if the baby was already beyond help by the time the baby got here.

from the FLU?? I mean we have all these anti-viral drugs and....sheesh...I'm not panicking I just like being well informed some people here are acting as if nothing is wrong at all

htismaqe 04-29-2009 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 5726885)
ok so this advanced medical technology we have should have been able to treat it right?

Infants in this country will likely die of the swine flu, just like the die of the regular flu. This is because they have underdeveloped immune systems and are less able to tolerate the symptoms, like high fever and dehydration. Infants and the elderly are ALWAYS at risk with the flu, and this strain isn't any worse in that aspect than any other.

Furthermore, it's highly likely that the child was already very, very sick by the time they got here. Our advanced technology can do alot of things, but it can't raise the dead.

WoodDraw 04-29-2009 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 5726866)
1) It was an INFANT.

2) Said infant already had a compromised immune system.

3) Apparently, said infant was a MEXICAN CITIZEN who was brought to Texas for treatment.

Please, this is STUPID.

He was visiting family in the US and became sick. So he didn't just come up for treatment.

Also, I'd be careful about make assumptions about preexisting conditions or other factors this early, as HIPPA protects a lot of that until the family consents to release.

He was an infant though, so he's a "typical" flu victim.

htismaqe 04-29-2009 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 5726895)
from the FLU?? I mean we have all these anti-viral drugs and....sheesh...I'm not panicking I just like being well informed some people here are acting as if nothing is wrong at all

anti-viral drugs don't CURE a viral infection, they prevent the spread of infection. Once you're infected with a virus, the only course of action is to let it run it's course.

Furthermore, infants and the elderly die from the flu ALL THE TIME. Not from the infection itself but from COMPLICATIONS - mainly dehydration.

htismaqe 04-29-2009 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by WoodDraw (Post 5726900)
He was visiting family in the US and became sick. So he didn't just come up for treatment.

Also, I'd be careful about make assumptions about preexisting conditions or other factors this early, as HIPPA protects a lot of that until the family consents to release.

He was an infant though, so he's a "typical" flu victim.

I didn't say anything about preexisting conditions. Infants have underdeveloped immune systems when they're healthy.

RJ 04-29-2009 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru (Post 5726892)
not if the baby was already beyond help by the time the baby got here.


I read the child was admitted to a Brownsville hospital on April 13th. Obviously I can't testify to the accuracy.


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