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Just Passin' By 06-24-2009 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5860872)
Wow. So, now you're going to dispute the words of Warren Sapp and Derrick Brooks? You're going to dispute the actions of Trent Green and Mike Vrabel?

Did you become an NFL last week or something?
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"Rookies here are never on their own," Harrison said. "We have so many veteran guys that talk to rookies, talk to each other. Bruschi, Vrabel, myself, Richard Seymour -- we talk to each other about different things all the time. I think no matter where you are at in the league, you can always learn and always get better, and the constant communication between players is huge."

Harrison broke into the league with San Diego in 1994. He still credits cornerback Dwayne Harper, linebacker Lew Bush and linebacker Junior Seau among those who helped him adjust to the NFL. Warren, the Patriots' first-round choice in 2003, started four games as a rookie and nearly every game since. He credits Seymour, Harrison and former teammates Anthony Pleasant, Rick Lyle and Roman Phifer for bringing him along.
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"To be honest with you, when I was drafted, I didn't know what to expect, so I was searching for answers," Warren said. "The thing I did was try to gravitate to the veterans who were willing to help me in the transition. That is probably the best thing for any rookie who comes into the NFL."
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...t&lid=tab6pos2

Titty Meat 06-24-2009 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5861014)
Oh, I don't, huh? If was so good for the Bears last year, why was he released? Why wasn't he signed by any team in the NFL earlier than June 24th?

And apparently, you missed this nugget:

Since 2003, he's played in exactly 36 out of a possible 80 games due to various injuries.

STFU
Are you telling me you'd rather have a guy who sucks (Pollard) then a guy who only plays half the games but makes plays (Brown)?

MOhillbilly 06-24-2009 02:22 PM
I do think coaches bring in guys to mentor and lessen the blow of what is gonna happen with a new scheme/coach.
Matter of fact i know it happens. Just didnt happen in KC.

DaneMcCloud 06-24-2009 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 5861038)
Uh, times are different now, Champ.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...oks/index.html


"I'll tell you the real reason,'' his friend Warren Sapp said over the weekend. "Because it's not the same for the veterans anymore. The NFL doesn't need us. In this NFL, the old vets don't factor in. The kids don't listen to nobody. Nobody! My last year in Oakland, I'd try to talk to some of the kids. Tommy Kelly, Terdell Sands. But they had no interest. I thought the ghosts in that building were so valuable, but none of the young guys cared. Once in a while, one of the old legends would come in the building, or make a trip. Jack Tatum would be around, and I'd say, 'You know who that dude is? You know how he played?' And the kids would be like, 'Nah, I don't care.'

"The game's different now. Look at Vince Young. Why wouldn't he listen to Kerry Collins? I'm sure Vince thinks, 'Nobody's been through what I'm going through. Nobody's been through my kind of pressure.' Are you kidding me! Kerry Collins, fifth pick in the draft, has all the ups and downs, gets benched, makes those racist comments, has the alcohol problems, moves from team to team, comes back, has success ... Vince Young should suck up all the knowledge Kerry Collins has to offer! There's no better role model for him.''

I have heard that Collins went out of his way last year to try to help Young when the struggling quarterback was having his quasi-breakdown. Young had no interest. Maybe Sapp's on to something. If he is, it's a sad commentary on the kids of the NFL.

Titty Meat 06-24-2009 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5861031)
Really.

Best, huh?

Better than Zach Thomas? Better than Bobby Engram?

If he's the "best", then this team will be lucky to win a single game.
Yup. It's laughable seeing you say the same thing over and over just change Mike Browns name with Zach Thomas and I bet you said the same shit. We'll be lucky to win a single game with a guy who makes plays? Says the guy who gets his dick wet watching DaJuan Morgan. Your posts are like a bad comedian telling the same joke it's pretty funny actually.

MOhillbilly 06-24-2009 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 5861043)
Are you telling me you'd rather have a guy who sucks (Pollard) then a guy who only plays half the games but makes plays (Brown)?
risk(money) - reward(playingtime) he is an upgrade aslong as he can play.
black and white sides to this coin.

RedThat 06-24-2009 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5861021)
As I said earlier, if he contributes, GREAT!

But expecting him to beat out the incumbent starter and have a Pro-Bowl like season after missing 44 games over the past 5 seasons (not including the playoffs) is tenuous at best.

Especially at age 31.
if Mike Brown stays healthy, I assure you he is going to be a starter.

Never said he was going to have a probowl like season quit putting words in my mouth.

ToxSocks 06-24-2009 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 5860981)
You don't know what you're talking about. He played 15 games last season. He'll make more of a contribution then Bernard Pollard will. Pollard has proven he's not a good safety. Mike Brown is a play maker.
Skeeeert! Stop right there. If Mike Brown didn't have such obvious injury concerns, he would've been picked up already. Just because he ALMOST completed a whole season last year does not make him durable, and god knows what his injuries have done to his speed, and he was never fast in the first place. He will NOT replace Pollard. If anything, he may replace page on obvious running situations. He's just another role player until he can prove otherwise.

MOhillbilly 06-24-2009 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 5861055)
Uh, times are different now, Champ.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...oks/index.html


"I'll tell you the real reason,'' his friend Warren Sapp said over the weekend. "Because it's not the same for the veterans anymore. The NFL doesn't need us. In this NFL, the old vets don't factor in. The kids don't listen to nobody. Nobody! My last year in Oakland, I'd try to talk to some of the kids. Tommy Kelly, Terdell Sands. But they had no interest. I thought the ghosts in that building were so valuable, but none of the young guys cared. Once in a while, one of the old legends would come in the building, or make a trip. Jack Tatum would be around, and I'd say, 'You know who that dude is? You know how he played?' And the kids would be like, 'Nah, I don't care.'

"The game's different now. Look at Vince Young. Why wouldn't he listen to Kerry Collins? I'm sure Vince thinks, 'Nobody's been through what I'm going through. Nobody's been through my kind of pressure.' Are you kidding me! Kerry Collins, fifth pick in the draft, has all the ups and downs, gets benched, makes those racist comments, has the alcohol problems, moves from team to team, comes back, has success ... Vince Young should suck up all the knowledge Kerry Collins has to offer! There's no better role model for him.''

I have heard that Collins went out of his way last year to try to help Young when the struggling quarterback was having his quasi-breakdown. Young had no interest. Maybe Sapp's on to something. If he is, it's a sad commentary on the kids of the NFL. I remember being in Tampa last year to do a story for SI on Brooks playing Adrian Peterson and the Vikings, and I thought at least one of the young linebackers, Barrett Ruud, tried to siphon off Brooks' knowledge.
warren sapp is a dick. vince young is crazy.

BryanBusby 06-24-2009 02:26 PM
Even if Brown doesn't actually play, he's going to help improve the Defense. The dude was a hell of a player when he was healthy and will be a good resource for players like Pollard, Page and Morgan.

Titty Meat 06-24-2009 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 5861065)
Skeeeert! Stop right there. If Mike Brown didn't have such obvious injury concerns, he would've been picked up already. Just because he ALMOST completed a whole season last year does not make him durable, and god knows what his injuries have done to his speed, and he was never fast in the first place. He will NOT replace Pollard. If anything, he may replace page on obvious running situations. He's just another role player until he can prove otherwise.
Other teams were intrested him him and he's a much better player then Pollard. Look at the #'s of the 36 games he's played in compared to the # of games Pollard has played in. Brown is the better player.

Mr. Arrowhead 06-24-2009 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 5861075)
Other teams were intrested him him and he's a much better player then Pollard. Look at the #'s of the 36 games he's played in compared to the # of games Pollard has played in. Brown is the better player.
Pollard never fit the cover 2, 3-4 fits him alot better

ToxSocks 06-24-2009 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by BryanBusby (Post 5861071)
Even if Brown doesn't actually play, he's going to help improve the Defense. The dude was a hell of a player when he was healthy and will be a good resource for players like Pollard, Page and Morgan.
This. Im glad they signed him. But lets not get shit twisted, he's not a reliable starter.

ToxSocks 06-24-2009 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 5861075)
Other teams were intrested him him and he's a much better player then Pollard. Look at the #'s of the 36 games he's played in compared to the # of games Pollard has played in. Brown is the better player.
Mike brown played on a good D, with good coaches. Pollard, not so much. Brown is slow and often injured. Pollard may not be blazing fast, but at least we can count on him being there on sunday. Pollard is ascending. Brown is descending.

Garcia Bronco 06-24-2009 02:33 PM
Bad move. Your season is over.


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