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tooge 12-14-2009 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6346588)
Many of us knew all these things before Pioli was ever hired.

Like I've said before, it's not rocket science.

Like I've said, I agree with much of what you originally posted. However, pestilence posted about some things he would like done, and I agree. Bring in a proven 3-4 D coord, get a playmaker WR, playmaker safety, and some competent O linemen, and Pioli is gonna look like a genius again and all of us KC fans are gonna be praising him. All things he can and I believe will do this offseason.

ChiefsCountry 12-14-2009 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 6346612)
Well then I'm obviously confused, which isn't very surprising. I find it hard to believe it isn't a factor at all though.

Its not how much, its why did they blow their load on two players instead of spreading it out for better players.

DaneMcCloud 12-14-2009 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater (Post 6346602)
Does George Blowfish not know what he's talking about?



Dane, you said we're $41M under the cap, and I swear I just saw something posted earlier where Clark's contributions to the renovations is $40M, if that's true don't you think it's just a little more than a coincidence?

Actually in December 2008, Hunt dropped another $75 million of his personal money into the stadium renovations and at that point, I posted that we'd see little if any free agency movement.

But that's NOT because of a lack of money. It's because the Hunts are notoriously cheap.

Furthermore, like OTWP stated, I highly doubt that after years of being pursued for a GM position, Scott Pioli would take a job with the caveat of not being able to spend money.

For proof, they shelled out over $30 million alone this year for Cassel and Jackson.

I personally believe that Pioli & Haley not only did a poor job of evaluating the talent available in the 2009 draft, but they also did a poor job of evaluating the existing talent on the roster.

Starting Niswanger and cutting Pollard being just two examples.

Titty Meat 12-14-2009 03:34 PM

Pollard deserved to go Dane. He ****ing sucked.

DaneMcCloud 12-14-2009 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6346660)
Pollard deserved to go Dane. He ****ing sucked.

How can you explain the fact that his play is far from "sucking" in Texas?

The coaches sucked. The scheme sucked. The players in front of him sucked.

Those factors cannot be blamed on Pollard.

Although some people will still do so.

Titty Meat 12-14-2009 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6346671)
How can you explain the fact that his play is far from "sucking" in Texas?

The coaches sucked. The scheme sucked. The players in front of him sucked.

Those factors cannot be blamed on Pollard.

Although some people will still do so.

It's the coaches fault he missed all those tackles? Not to mention he would talk shit when the team was getting there ass kicked. He was a toilet bowl that needed to be flushed and it's a good thing this regime did it. Far from sucking in Texas isn't really true either. If you watched the game where Chris Johnson ran all over them he was nowhere to be found.

Bugeater 12-14-2009 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6346649)
Actually in December 2008, Hunt dropped another $75 million of his personal money into the stadium renovations and at that point, I posted that we'd see little if any free agency movement.

But that's NOT because of a lack of money. It's because the Hunts are notoriously cheap.

Furthermore, like OTWP stated, I highly doubt that after years of being pursued for a GM position, Scott Pioli would take a job with the caveat of not being able to spend money.

For proof, they shelled out over $30 million alone this year for Cassel and Jackson.

I personally believe that Pioli & Haley not only did a poor job of evaluating the talent available in the 2009 draft, but they also did a poor job of evaluating the existing talent on the roster.

Starting Niswanger and cutting Pollard being just two examples.

The thing is, the two statements I bolded (which I both believe to be true) contradict each other. Something just doesn't add up here.

OnTheWarpath15 12-14-2009 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6346649)
Actually in December 2008, Hunt dropped another $75 million of his personal money into the stadium renovations and at that point, I posted that we'd see little if any free agency movement.

But that's NOT because of a lack of money. It's because the Hunts are notoriously cheap.

Furthermore, like OTWP stated, I highly doubt that after years of being pursued for a GM position, Scott Pioli would take a job with the caveat of not being able to spend money.

For proof, they shelled out over $30 million alone this year for Cassel and Jackson.

I personally believe that Pioli & Haley not only did a poor job of evaluating the talent available in the 2009 draft, but they also did a poor job of evaluating the existing talent on the roster.

Starting Niswanger and cutting Pollard being just two examples.

But Dane, they'd rather have guys who are good citizens and don't talk back to coaches over talented players.

It took an injury to get Goff out of the lineup, and interestingly enough, ever since he's been out, Cassel's time to throw has almost ****ing tripled.

It took some gay slurs to get LJ out of the lineup, and what do you know, the running game is producing.

We're in an evaluation year, yet they won't give playing time to the players that need to be evaluated.

I'm starting to think Whitlock was right about the "ego" thing - can't wait to see the piece he puts together after the Denver game.

Titty Meat 12-14-2009 03:40 PM

Another thing, When Pollard sucked here none of you were blaming the coaches.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-14-2009 03:42 PM

Defending the asinine moves of incompetent personnel people is like curry to a pisshead for this fan base.

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-14-2009 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6346680)
Another thing, When Pollard sucked here none of you were blaming the coaches.

If only you knew the invectives that were hurled at Gunther and Herm for playing our personnel in a ****ing Tampa 2 when it should have been a man-pressure, blitzing scheme.

Titty Meat 12-14-2009 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6346684)
If only you knew the invectives that were hurled at Gunther and Herm for playing our personnel in a ****ing Tampa 2 when it should have been a man-pressure, blitzing scheme.

Reguardless it was a consesus that Pollard sucked.

OnTheWarpath15 12-14-2009 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6346680)
Another thing, When Pollard sucked here none of you were blaming the coaches.

Actually, some of us were, because he was being mis-used.

He was being used more in coverage and not enough in run support.

Yet, for all that, and the supposed issue of missing tackles, he still lead the team.

He's in Houston for one reason, and one reason only:

He mouthed off to Clancy Pendergast.

And after what we've seen this year, it probably was deserved.

Titty Meat 12-14-2009 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6346688)
Actually, some of us were, because he was being mis-used.

He was being used more in coverage and not enough in run support.

Yet, for all that, and the supposed issue of missing tackles, he still lead the team.

He's in Houston for one reason, and one reason only:

He mouthed off to Clancy Pendergast.

And after what we've seen this year, it probably was deserved.


I would like to see posts where people were saying "If only we had good coaches Pollard would be a good player." Because from what I remember everyone was glad that the new regime was bringing in competiton to take Pollards spot.


Since Mike Brown leads the team in tackles does that mean he's not a bad tackler?

'Hamas' Jenkins 12-14-2009 03:51 PM

I bitched and bitched about Pollard being misused. Finally, I figured that it couldn't be all on coaches, and claimed him a bust as a safety (although still a PB-caliber STer).

I was wrong. I should have just stuck to my initial belief.


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