The guy caught the football with his ****ing helmet on a perfectly defended pass......you really want to go there with this one?? :shake:

Peyton had good playoff game, he clutch now/ hootie

So let me get this straight...

Peyton Manning wasn't clutch against the Chiefs in 2003 in the no punt game?

Or does that not count?

What are we counting here?

Super Bowl wins?

Yeah...Brady has 3 and Manning has 1.

Terry Bradshaw has more than Brady so I guess he is more clutch and even better than Tom Brady!

This Super Bowl bullshit is just that...bullshit.

Hey a great QB is definitely a key to winning Super Bowls...but it's not the be all end all...

All I know is one of these QB's had the benefit of the most clutch kicking in NFL history for half a decade...and the other had Mike Vanderjagt...who once had a chance to tie a game in the playoffs for the Colts to force an OT...only to push a chipshot about 50 yards right...

But Brady is clutch and Manning never delivers...his one Super Bowl is only because he faced Rex Grossman...

If not for the ****ing miracle play that will never ever ever happen again that wouldnt be an issue.

The most damning evidence of Tom Brady as a truly historic QB is Matt Cassel.

We all saw how severely lacking Matt Cassel is this season, yet in the Patriots system he won 11 games and threw for 3700 yards.

I saw a system that inflates a QBs performance by a solid 10-20%.

I guess the question you have to ask is - could the Colts have ever gone 11-5 with Jim Sorgi?

Brady sits at 11 on my all-time QB list. And ultimately I will listen to any argument that puts Warner over him as well (best pure passer of my lifetime and a guy that would've been untouchable in that NE system). Brady's a HOFer and an elite QB, but the Peyton v. Manning debate is closed, it's no contest.

I've said this time and time again.

Manning, in the face of consistent pressure, shrivels up.
He pussifies.
He doesn't stand tall in the pocket and hold the ball until the last minute ato deliver the ball, and as a result, the receivers are unable to finish their routes and be in position to make a catch.

Their passing game relies heavily on timing, much as Kurt Warner and the Rams or the Cards.

He stands in and delivers.

Joe Montana, as fragile as he was, did also, as has tom Brady, as does Ben Roethlisberger, as does Drew Brees.

Manning is a pussy.

We should trade Cassel for Brady straight up.

They scored 14 points!

They set every single offensive record anyone could ever think of that season and scored 14 points!

In the MOST IMPORTANT game of Tom Brady's life...

He didn't show up.

P.S. Tom Brady does have the NFL record for TD passes in a season.

P.S.S. Tom Brady's 2007 doesn't TOUCH Peyton Manning's 2004.

Hmmm similar to the Tuck Rule that started the entire Pats "dynasty".

It always goes both ways.
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Closed, my ass.

Shut the **** up.

This is a very fair point and an interesting perspective that I'm sure the Cassel apologists will love.

I'll say it again, the guy caught the ball with his head.....

He had more touchdowns but i guess that doesnt "touch" peyton.
Oh btw, at least brady made it to the superbowl that year. I cant remember who peyton lost to, but he got his ass kicked.
Do you seriously just sit down and think "what can i type today that will make cp think im reeruned?"

That's rich.

Manning is a "pussy"...

If that is what the next turn of the Brady/Manning debate turns into...god kill me now.

Peyton Manning is such a perfect QB that his critics are now going to attack him for not allowing his receivers to finish routes because he won't stand in the pocket and take hits!

I'm sorry...

For every 1 play Ben Roethlisberger makes because he holds on to the ball forever and lets the play "develop"...he makes about 4 bad plays for the very same reason.

I watched a half dozen Steelers games this year and I can remember at least 3 occasions where the Steelers were in the red zone and he did something stupid to take them out of FIELD GOAL range even...

But hey...I understand Manning plays the QB position as perfectly as it can be played and I know you're stubborn Milkman and you're desperately holding onto the idea that Brady is better than Manning (for some reason unknown to me)...

So if this is what you've got then this is what you've got...

What are we going to say after Manning wins tonight against the Ravens?

Lets say he has a statistically mediocre game but the Colts win...

Will he be a choker? We all saw how good Tom Brady was against these very same Ravens last week...