Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 6487635)

Most all of those teams had a healthy base built around the team and the QB was one of the later pieces added to the puzzle. Why waste valuable years of a QB's play with a mediocre team that will go nowhere? Get your team competitive first then add the positions that add an immediate impact.

Everyone wants a playmaker, and criticized the organization for taking d-lineman. The guys who take about 3 yrs. to develop. If you didn't have these guys, and the need for them was the only thing holding your team back, you'd draft one and have to wait. Wasting players prime years, contracts(both length and money) and health. A lot can happen over 3 yrs.

If a well rounded, 1st round QB can make a difference in yr. 1, get him when your team is on the cusp. Build your base first. The guys who take time to develop. I know it takes time for the QB to be developed, but a recent trend shows that if you get a good one, maybe not. The guy may not be a world beater at QB, but as long as he can at least be a yr. 1 game manager, he can learn on the fly and you have years of productivity ahead of you. Otherwise you could do like all the shitty teams at the top of the draft over the years have done. Draft a guy with unlimited potential, and drown him in a pool of talentless teammates like the Lions.

A playmaker would make this team better now, and everyone would love it, but it won't really mean anything at all until there's a good base in place. Can't build on a shotty foundation. That is why the experts and coaches prefer to build from the front to back. A lot of guys don't like the unsexy picks in the trenches, but a team ain't shit without 'em. Not saying a o-lineman in the first round. You can get 'em in the 5th round if they can play, just get 'em first. Worry about the accessories later.




That oughta piss Dane off PLENTY! :D







**** you Dane!:)

Originally Posted by doomy3 (Post 6487612)

I was wondering this, and didn't know if anyone had done the research on it.

Since it seems that the only way to find a franchise QB is in the first round, I was curious about where specifically in the first round seems to be the best place. To qualify for franchise QB status on this board, it seems that one must win a Super Bowl.

So my question is, how many QBs have been drafted in the top 5 and won a Super Bowl with their original team? It seems that the guys like Roethlisberger, Flacco, and even Sanchez (since the Jets weren't a bad enough team to be drafting top 5 but traded up to #5) are all guys who went to good teams, and definitely benefited from it. I'm not trying to take anything away from any of them, but it occured to me that while we are talking about the number of first round QBs that have won SBs, we should also look at the draft position and quality of team they went to. Seems that a lot of the QBs that are drafted top 5 do indeed bust, and a lot of times I'm not sure if that is because of the player or because of the shitty situation they went into.

Curious if anyone knew of the number of top 5 QBs that have won a SB with their original team?

Originally Posted by Spott (Post 6487470)

Well, maybe they could just surprise everyone and draft him in the first round to get better odds. :)

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6487476)

I like this kind of outside-of-the-box thinking.

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 6486403)

So you're saying we should take LeFevour in the first round :D

Kidding of course.

Isn't this the kid that broke the yards for a DI QB or some other major NCAA record?

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6487671)

From 1980 - present:

The following QB's were selected in the Top 5 and started a SB for their original team. (Elway never played for the Colts, so I'm counting him, just like Eli Manning)

E. Manning
P. Manning
Aikman
Elway
McMahon
McNair
Bledsoe

No one from 6-10

From 11-15: Roethlisberger, Kelly, Eason

From 16-32: Marino

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 6487856)

Repost bitches

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6487867)

I have you on ignore, clearly.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6487867)

I have you on ignore, clearly.

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 6487876)

ROFL @ Buehler445.....

Nobody likes you....

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 6487772)

ooh, Dane called me a pussy on the interwebs!

This is the kind of crap that drove me away from here in the first place. For everyone else posting here that's not a complete douchebag-

First round QB's have a failure rate in the mid 80's. Non-first rounders in the mid 90's.

Interesting. Okay. I'd say that the impact on your franchise of whiffing on a 1st round QB might offset that extra 10% or so likelihood of success. Particularly if you're absolutely shitty everywhere else.

I'd say that the Chiefs SHOULD have drafted one in the first round nearly any year from 91-97. Why? Otherwise a fairly complete team. Good defense, good line to block for you. Good time to take a risk like that.

Right now? nope.

I'm not afraid of anything. I'm certainly not afraid of whiffing on a QB-I just don't see that as a smart move, especially when the rest of the team is so weak. See, Sanchez may indeed become a franchise QB-and I like him and think he will-but he ain't there yet. He was on a pretty short leash and the defense and running game carried that team. Sanchez on the Chiefs and we're still 4-12. Maybe worse. AND, we'd probably ruin the poor kid ala Joey Harrington.
And I'm certainly not afraid of Dane. Dane, if you'd like to continue this discussion in person, shoot me a p.m., bro! Or are you just an internet bully?

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 6487884)

Damn. Tough crowd today. I should log off.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6488136)

And then whom would I ignore?

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 6488146)

Which QB do you want with the fifth overall pick this year Dane?

I still agree with Chris Meck. I'd be the first to admit that I'm not a scout. If our college talent evaluators think there's a John Elway available when we draft then by all means take him. My unrefined sense of the situation is that there are no Elways or Mannings coming out this year.