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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 6516731)

And you know this how? You obviously haven't watched him play... so where do you get your info? (btw... what position does Hali play and what position does Woodley play? Here's a hint... NOT THE SAME ONE DUMBASS)

Also... you do know that until U-M put him at DE, Graham had played LB his entire career...

Yes, he did. Middle linebacker to be specific.

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6521446)

So you're going to try to honestly convince anyone that you didn't know that he was talking specifically about the players on the OL that played and contributed this year.

As I said, you are an intellectually dishonest prick.

Anything to try and push your agenda.

Dickbreath.

Again, you are being a douche. I specifically stated Brown, with the caveat that he was on IR all season.

How is that intellectually dishonest?

Let me clue you in - it's not.

If you want to argue for the sake of arguing, that's one thing. Maybe it's your only thing.

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6523817)

What was your point in posting about Brown then? Did you think I didn't know he was on IR or drafted by the Saints in the first round?

You are a smug one who sucks the penis.

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6523816)

Yes, he did. Middle linebacker to be specific.

I'm sure you google searched it after AustinChief bent you over and kicked your ****ing ass in.

Tool.

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6523956)

I'm sure you google searched it after AustinChief bent you over and kicked your ****ing ass in.

Tool.

LMAO

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6523953)

What was your point in posting about Brown then?

You asked how many first round draft picks on the offensive line were on either team. I answered. Seems pretty straight forward to me.

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Did you think I didn't know he was on IR or drafted by the Saints in the first round?

You're the dipshit that asked the question, not me.

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Originally Posted by AustinChief (Post 6516731)

What position does Woodley play and what position does Graham play? Is it the same one? (Not that it's relevant - well as relevant as a Hali/Woodley comparison...)

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Also... you do know that until U-M put him at DE, Graham had played LB his entire career...

His entire career? You mean like high school? Eric Berry, up until he enrolled at Tennessee and ended up at safety, was a quarterback for his "entire career." It doesn't mean that he's going to be playing it in the NFL.

But, I concede. You win. You've convinced me that Brandon Graham is the greatest defensive end/linebacker prospect ever. I will never again besmirch his name by comparing him to someone of Hali's ilk. And they don't play the same position and shouldn't be considered to play the same position on the Chiefs.

Graham is Woodley, Woodley is Graham. Neither are Hali and to infer as such shall be considered heresy.

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6524675)

You asked how many first round draft picks on the offensive line were on either team. I answered. Seems pretty straight forward to me.

You're the dipshit that asked the question, not me.

Doesn't "on the offensive line" imply that they have to be starting and actually playing, you cocksmoking ****ing reerun?

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6524727)

But, I concede. You win.

You really didn't have to conceed. Anyone with the comprehension level of a 3rd grader could read how bad you got owned in this entire thread.

Watching you post back and forth with people who understand football is like watching Mike Tyson fight Peter McNeeley.

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6524835)

*yawn*

Thanks once again for contributing...

nothing.

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6524852)

*yawn*

Thanks once again for contributing...

nothing.

Wait, I'll make up a bunch of stuff and post it as fact and then go to YouTube to try to support every claim I make.

OKUNG FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 6524949)

Wait, I'll make up a bunch of stuff and post it as fact and then go to YouTube to try to support every claim I make.

OKUNG FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Since you obviously don't approve of highlight videos, here's a couple of reports/analysis on Graham:

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Pass rush: Relentless rusher able to pressure the quarterback lining up on the strong or weak side. Lines up at five-technique in some passing situations. Uses his strength, balance and lack of height to get under shoulder pads of tackle. Strong, violent hands to beat his man straight-out or disengage. Lacks a consistent counter move. Has an inside spin move but rarely shows it. Despite his stout build, Graham drops into zone coverage easily and shows some fluidity in space. Backpedal is slow, as expected, but he will still get a shot as a linebacker for a 3-4 team. Lines up wide so he can turn the corner against slower tackles, will struggle to do so against NFL tackles.

Run defense: Can punch the tackle to disengage or maintain the angle to force the action inside when run plays are coming his way. Occasionally gets skinny to penetrate on inside runs. Stays home to contain, watch for bootlegs and stop reverses. Must be more consistent using his hands to defeat cut blocks, although he can still make the tackle after a cut as he recovers fairly well. Has a good motor, works hard to get down the line on runs away from him. Lacks elite speed to chase down NFL backs consistently.

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Strengths:

Brandon Graham has a very quick first step and a relentless motor. He has a nice repertoire of pass rush moves. Graham appears to have more than adequate strength, especially in his lower body. He uses his hands very well and can "dip and rip" through blocks. He has quick, concise movements and takes a direct path to the quarterback as a pass rusher. He does a good job of staying under control and doesn't whiff on sacks when he gets to the quarterback. Graham diagnoses plays well and can scrape down the line well on run plays. He has good balance and always seems to be moving in the right direction despite being chipped or having any trash in his way. Graham typically takes nice angles on action away from him. He seems to have very nice, fluid lateral movement. He is somewhat versatile in that he could be a 3-4 OLB or a Tampa 2 type DE.

Weakness:

As in most 3-4 defensive prospects, there is the projection factor to look at. You have to take what he has done at Michigan and project that not only to the next level, but to a very different position. Despite the recent success of some smaller rush ends, you have to take Graham's height into consideration. He needs to play with a better pad level. His hips appear to be on the stiff side and dropping into coverage could be an issue. He can struggle in space against the run. His arms appear shorter than scouts like. His overall athletic ability could be marginal.

Analysis:

Brandon Graham can be viewed as a boom or bust prospect. He certainly has a lot to like, but he also has his fair share of question marks. With a prospect like Graham there is always a lot of uncertainty involved because of the projection factor. With that said, I think teams are going to have a hard time ignoring his explosiveness off the edge. The NFL covets pass rushers and Graham could be a very good one. He might make the smoothest transition to the NFL if he were to end up playing in a Tampa 2 defense, but his ultimate upside is probably as a 3-4 OLB. If he does end up on a 3-4 team he will take some time to develop. At this point I feel Graham is safely within the first round.

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Pros

Non-stop powerful motor
Very Physical at point of attack
Very Strong
Great Character, hard worker
Bevy of moves, ability to work his man up the middle, around the outside, or bull rush
Plays with great pad level
Uses his hands extremely well
Does a great job in pursuit, never quits on a play
Great instincts and ability to diagnose plays, which makes him very good in stuffing the run.
Gets out of stance and up field very quickly

Cons

A bit shorter than your prototypical Defensive End
Does not have great speed for his size
Sometimes, can get engulfed by big Lineman
Has a tough time with double teams.

I just don't know what he's going to give you over a guy like Hali, especially when you take into account the learning curve. I doubt that he would be truly effective playing the SAM position, and I know Hali wouldn't be able to play it so you'd be drafting him to replace Hali. As such, did Hali's performance this past season dictate that the Chiefs need to consider using a high draft pick for a replacement?

Look lets be frank here, most of the teams in the league that are consistently good, have 1 or no first round offensive linemen while having several 1st round dlinemen.

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6526284)

Look lets be frank here, most of the teams in the league that are consistently good, have 1 or no first round offensive linemen while having several 1st round dlinemen.

Chiefs have three first round picks on the defensive front line. Hali, Dorsey, Jackson.

Chiefs have one on the offensive line in Albert.

By your standard mentioned above, the Chiefs have set themselves up to be consistently good.

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo (Post 6526324)

FAIL

Hali is an OLB. Which is not a DE, NT, or DE. Do you watch football?