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ToxSocks 02-12-2010 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6528061)
If he was horrible, what's that make our guy? That's the problem with this...

Pssstttt. Im following you.

'Hamas' Jenkins 02-12-2010 07:39 PM

Fortunately, the same level of criticism is applied to our fifth year QB.

keg in kc 02-12-2010 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6528061)
If he was horrible, what's that make our guy? That's the problem with this...

Also horrible?

Looking at their individual performance should be and is a mutually-exclusive thing. Judge them for how they did on their own merits, not how they did compared to each other. At least that's how I try to look at it.

Maybe I find it easier since I don't fall into any particular camp. Although, technically, if we have to talk about them together, then, well, I guess I'd have to say I wanted Sanchez more than I wanted Cassel (who I wanted not at all...). The only good thing I've ever been able to say about that trade is that it cost less than I expected. Which still doesn't change the fact that I didn't see Sanchez as a top-5 value, because of his experience, or lack thereof. But in the end my view of one has never had anything to do with my view of the other.

Mecca 02-12-2010 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 6528078)
Fortunately, the same level of criticism is applied to our fifth year QB.

Pretty much, it's sad.

I think Sanchez will always have major detractors on this forum because tearing him down is the only way to feel ok about Matt Cassel.

Mr. Laz 02-12-2010 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6528061)
If he was horrible, what's that make our guy?

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6528083)
I think Sanchez will always have major detractors on this forum because tearing him down is the only way to feel ok about Matt Cassel.

irony?

Mecca 02-12-2010 07:59 PM

Sorry, a 5 year player that was suppose to be a "known commodity" does not get the same grading scale a rookie QB does.

Matt Cassel is the same age Roethlisberger is, ponder that.

BigCatDaddy 02-12-2010 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6528056)
Sanchez had a horrible rookie season, the Jets two postseason wins came on the shoulders of the running game and the defense and it was clear that the staff went out of their way to protect him in both games. I thought he did have a pretty decent showing in the third game when the situation forced the team to be more aggressive. That's not to say I don't think he can or will be good down the road, but come on, let's not get out of hand heaping praise on the guy. He really hasn't done anything to earn it, not yet.

I don't see how it can be explained any better then this.

keg in kc 02-12-2010 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6528133)
Sorry, a 5 year player that was suppose to be a "known commodity" does not get the same grading scale a rookie QB does.

Matt Cassel is the same age Roethlisberger is, ponder that.

What's your point? Does Cassel having a bad season himself somehow take Sanchez's bad performance off the books or something?

BigCatDaddy 02-12-2010 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6528061)
If he was horrible, what's that make our guy? That's the problem with this...

That's a different argument all together. Sanchez did have the advantage of playing with the top ranked defense and top running game which Cassell did not. Based on the numbers Cassell was marginally better this year then Sanchez. Sanchez had the situation advantage, Cassell had the advantage of having a full season under his belt.

My opinion frankly is Cassell will have to be dropped into a situation similar to what Sanchez has to have any post season success in his career. I'm hoping he is just the transition guy and we make a move on Bradford or another QB this year.

Mecca 02-12-2010 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6528146)
What's your point? Does Cassel having a bad season himself somehow take Sanchez's bad performance off the books or something?

He was worse than Sanchez...Sanchez performed like a rookie QB which he was, Cassel performed like a rookie QB while supposedly having experience.

But if you want to tell yourself that you'd rather have Matt Cassel and Tyson Jackson and that's better for the teams future by all means whatever it takes to make you feel better.

Mecca 02-12-2010 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 6528148)
That's a different argument all together. Sanchez did have the advantage of playing with the top ranked defense and top running game which Cassell did not. Based on the numbers Cassell was marginally better this year then Sanchez. Sanchez had the situation advantage, Cassell had the advantage of having a full season under his belt.

My opinion frankly is Cassell will have to be dropped into a situation similar to what Sanchez has to have any post season success in his career. I'm hoping he is just the transition guy and we make a move on Bradford or another QB this year.

Ok so you are essentially admitting that trading for Matt Cassel was incredibly stupid?

BigCatDaddy 02-12-2010 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc (Post 6528146)
What's your point? Does Cassel having a bad season himself somehow take Sanchez's bad performance off the books or something?

Yeah, not sure how this came into the mix.

Mecca 02-12-2010 08:06 PM

That was the decision, you do realize if you dropped Sanchez into this QB class he'd be the top ranked one right?

BigCatDaddy 02-12-2010 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6528150)
Ok so you are essentially admitting that trading for Matt Cassel was incredibly stupid?

I wouldn't say that. They gave up a 2nd round pick for the guy. If he is just the transition QB and they plan on developing someone pretty quick then I think it was an okay move. The fact that his contract was front loaded makes me tend to believe that MIGHT be there thinking, the fact that they didn't take a QB or make a play for a young backup last year tells me different. If they put all the eggs in his basket then yes, it was probably a mistake, if they have a good contingent plan in place then I can live with it.

Mecca 02-12-2010 08:11 PM

If you are saying they traded for a transition QB while having a top 5 pick in position to draft one....that makes it incredibly stupid.

I forgot this is KC we don't need a QB.


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