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They do, which is why McClain if the Chiefs don't take him probably goes to the Dolphins.

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6565991)

They apply it to the entire front 7, give me an undersized LB that has ever played for Parcells or a Parcells tree guy.

Brandon Graham's 6'1 height likely has him very low on the Chiefs board.

I highly doubt it, but if true... the entire Parcell's tree is full of nuts.

I find it hard to imagine they would ignore the play of guys like Woodley, Dumervil and Harrison just because they lack "ideal" height.

So does that take Hughes off the table?

Kindle is like 6'3" so he is ok...

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6565999)

They do, which is why McClain if the Chiefs don't take him probably goes to the Dolphins.

Pioli picked Mayo and he is only 6' .. now I do understand he is an ILB and that makes a big difference... but not exactly ideal size.

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6565961)

The size thing is why I start cracking up laughing when anyone even suggests our team or the Pats would draft Brandon Graham.

tyron Mckenzie 6'2'' 240
jarod mayo 6'1 245
shawn crable 6'5 245

Those are the lbs BB drafted in NE in the first three rounds in recent years.

Brandon Graham 6'1 260

Doesnt seem out of the realm of possibility to me. They do value linemen that are bigger because of their responsibility in regards to the scheme we play, but Im not sure that holds true for the LBers they draft.

McKenzie and Mayo are ILB's..

Now in fairness Mayo was essentially their only option at that pick, but he's not undersized for an ILB, he weighs nearly 250lbs.

They like bigger guys on the outside, ILB the height isn't as big of a deal.

I probably should have said find me a rushbacker that the Pats have drafted that doesn't have prototypical size.

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6566008)

Crable is a rushbacker.

McKenzie and Mayo are both 6'1"+ 240+ lb inside linebackers.

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6566019)

I will admit the height hurts him... but in Graham's favor is that he went to U-M, Pioli has signed quite a few U-M players in the recent past.

You should probably compare Graham to other OLB's.

Graham is going to go to one of those teams that doesn't mind height, Green Bay and Arizona seem like the most likely teams if you ask me.

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6559952)

5. Kansas City-Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State, I don't like this at all but I think this comes down to doing the safe thing. I think this pick is between Okung and McClain and they'll settle on Okung as he has higher positional value and I don't think McClain will test well in workouts. I don't believe the Chiefs will strongly consider Berry in a deep safety class. This to me frankly comes down to Pioli not wanting Cassel to fail and going with the consensus pick as Okung is a pick basically no one will question nationally.

Why would Pioli care anything about doing the "safe thing"? He drafted TJ last year, basically giving the finger to everyone nationally.

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6559970)

I think it's either McClain or Okung, answer this question, how much do you believe the Chiefs factor in the offseason process?

Okung is essentially the exact weight, arm length and all that jazz that Haley tried to turn Albert into. And I don't think McClain will be a perfect prospect with his workouts to really warrant being a top 10 pick.

If you wanna year something really ridiculous, if the Chiefs came up and say Washington took Okung I could see the Chiefs taking Charles Brown...5th.

I'd believe McClain before Okung or Brown. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have Okung than McClain, just don't see it happening.

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer (Post 6560220)

Pioli has stated that you build a team from the inside out meaning you have to have solid lines, so this pick isn't unreasonable. We'll get two playmakers in the 2nd. I think a WR/KR with 2A and a linebacker with 2B.

Yet Pioli has drafted only 1 O-linemen in the first round, EVER.

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6561564)

and people said shit when I sid Pioli would draft Dan Williams.

That's my projection as well. I think it's Dan Williams.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 6565908)

Which continues to back up the fact that they're ****ing stupid and had THE worst draft in the entire history of the Chiefs franchise.

Carl is that you?

Safe as in he has to try to make Cassel look like he was a good investment, they took Jackson because they were hell bent on playing 3-4.

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6566164)

Safe as in he has to try to make Cassel look like he was a good investment, they took Jackson because they were hell bent on playing 3-4.

Safe as in I'm sure that Haley threatened to stab him in the eye with a fork if he gave him dog shit linemen to work with for a second straight season. Straight up, the two positions that pissed off Haley more than anything was 1. The entire offensive line, and 2. the entire Wide Receiver corps.

After offering up Ndukwe, Alleman, Goff and Seamus O'Murphy, you can be rest assured that they will be picking more than one offensive lineman in this draft and they will do their due diligence in making sure that they get guys that will be productive at a high level from the day they get to camp. There won't be any projects who have "potential." Smart guys who will be able to pick up and execute the zone blocking scheme quickly. I'd expect guys like Okung (Bulaga and Brown would be options 2 & 3 if Okung isn't there, and he might be gone by the time that Detroit picks), Tennant, Mike Johnson, Zane Beadles, JD Walton, Jeff Byers and the like.

Brown showed to be very weak today.

...like half the reps of the other OLTs.