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Titty Meat 03-20-2010 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf (Post 6617988)
They're also a one dimensional team that can't run the ball. That's why when they ran into a D like the Jets, they did nothing...

That was 1 season and I don't think it was because the line more so the decline of LT.

DaWolf 03-20-2010 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6617990)
That was 1 season and I don't think it was because the line more so the decline of LT.

Possibly, although I read somewhere after LT signed with the Jets that he was moving from one of the worst run blocking OL's in the league to one of the best, so my impression is that the line has been slipping more into a pass protection first mentality in SD. I credit that to Norv Turner, who is probably one of the softest football coaches out there...

BigMeatballDave 03-20-2010 05:12 PM

No, I posted that while your girlfriend was blowing me.
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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6617980)
You used your 10 minute break at McDonalds to log in and talk trash? You renegade.

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milkman 03-20-2010 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by orange (Post 6617977)
Al Groh you say?
"We saw Eugene as the natural heir apparent," Groh said. "Behind 'Brick,' he was only going to play so much, but he was going to get a taste of it and be ready to go.

"Then, the second or third day of his first spring practice, he dislocated his knee. So, he missed the whole spring and was severely impeded by it over the course of the next season."

Monroe was so ineffective early in the season that he lost his starting job to Zak Stair, although he got his job back for the last month of the season and started six games overall.

Doctors had cleared Monroe to begin the 2006 season, "but, frankly, if we had a way to look into the future and known how much he was going to be impeded, we probably wouldn't have played him," Groh said.

http://www.roanoke.com/sports/uvafootball/wb/202396
So Monroe played the whole season with an injury. Do you suppose that might have affected his mobility? Fortunately, when he couldn't get it done, Groh was able to turn to his first choice Branden Albert Zak Stair to start in his place.

THEM'S the facts.

Well then, he was talking out of both sides of his ass, wasn't he.

aturnis 03-20-2010 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6617415)
I'm not overly concerned about the penalties stats.
The majority of those penalties were false starts.

Install a brand new scheme just two weeks prior to the start, and that's what you get.

Lots of holding calls on Albert and Waters too. Especially on longer runs.

aturnis 03-20-2010 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 6617410)
I find the Lilja info interesting. 14th best out of 64 guards. I know Manning was part of it but that's still pretty good.

You must not have read the Lilja thread. I kept bringing up these facts to call out Dane as he said Lilja sucks, he's done, his knees are shot. Fact is though, Dane's more than likely wrong. Well, the only thing I know for sure he's wrong on is his run blocking. Manning could still have a lot to do with Lilja's success.

Mecca 03-20-2010 10:29 PM

The mere suggestion that Okung or Bulaga are ok because we need a RT is just awful.

That is not how you build championship teams.

Titty Meat 03-20-2010 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BCD (Post 6618592)
No, I posted that while your girlfriend was blowing me.
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Doubtful she could find your cawk.

Titty Meat 03-20-2010 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6620214)
The mere suggestion that Okung or Bulaga are ok because we need a RT is just awful.

That is not how you build championship teams.

Dude draft Tony Washington in the 4th round. He'll be just as good as anyone of the "elite" prospects ater a few years.

milkman 03-20-2010 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis (Post 6620163)
Lots of holding calls on Albert and Waters too. Especially on longer runs.

According to this:

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playersta...d=5349&team=12

Waters had the most holding calls of his career, but it was still only 4, while Albert was only called for 2 holds.

http://hosted.stats.com/fb/playersta...d=8792&team=12

Mecca 03-20-2010 10:37 PM

I don't know if I'd go that far but if you are of the belief that Albert is the LT then even considering an OT with the top 5 pick is blatant idiocy.

aturnis 03-20-2010 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6617417)
I didn't read it. 1 guards played has declined for a few years now the other supposedly failed a physical, and the center is 37 years old and got thrown around like a rag doll. Forgive me for not being excited about the o-line.

Looks like you've learned quite a bit whilst sucking on the nutsack of Dane.

Yes, it is VERY easy to be pessimistic about everything and to say it will always be as bad as it could be. You think you look like a genius when you HAPPEN to be right through no fault of your own, and you don't have to be disappointed when you're wrong, in fact, the worst you have to due is say you're glad he's doing well, so rough. It's a smart and easy game to play if you want to look like you know what you are talking about as most players never live up to the fans expectations.

Waters isn't really that bad of a player. Playing next to Niswanger would make about anyone look worse than they really are. He's not spectacular, but adequate.

Lilja failing that physical has been pretty well discounted by a few sources and I'm sure you know that. Not only that, but Lilja was a has been rated the top 16, and 14 player at his position out of more than 64 in '07 and '09 with a knee injury in '08.

Lilja's a very good run blocker, the best on the Colts line by a long shot, and we'll see about the pass blocking, was it all Manning? One thing is for sure though, the pass protection should be better at RG than at any point in time last season.

Plenty of people have been round and round with you about Weigmann. He's been a top rated center in this league each and every season since 2001. Two years ago, he was the #2 center behind only Nick Mangold, a 1st round center, and perennial stud. Last year being the only bad year he's had.

You know damned well that Denver abandoned their zone blocking scheme in favor of more power blocking last year. A power blocking scheme isn't going to favor a 285lb. center much, especially not when his team played a lot of 3-4 teams that year with some big ole nose tackles. Giving up 30lbs. on a guy would play a big roll in a bad season.

Fact is that he has been a proven stud when playing in a zone blocking unit. You realistically have no reason to think he'll be anything less than what he was from 2001-08, other than the fact that he is one year older than he was last year.

Get a clue ****-o.

Titty Meat 03-20-2010 11:10 PM

Blah blah I suck off Dane Blah Blah. Why don't you actually read for once dumbass?

Lilja was such a great run blocker the Colts were horrible running the ball and released him.

You dumbass you argue aginst your own point. You admit Weigmann struggles vs 3-4 teams guess what defense teams in our divison play?

You comparing a 37 year olds play from nearly 10 years ago to current is laughable.

el borracho 03-20-2010 11:39 PM

Oline analysis: Pioli didn't like what he saw last year and has brought in some temporary fixes to give him time to draft some linemen in the next few years. On paper, at the moment, 2010's line is better than 2009's line; not great, but better.

aturnis 03-20-2010 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by billay (Post 6620350)
Blah blah I suck off Dane Blah Blah. Why don't you actually read for once dumbass?

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Lilja was such a great run blocker the Colts were horrible running the ball and released him.
They weren't a great run blocking team, but I did say he was by far and away the best run blocker on that team.

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You dumbass you argue aginst your own point. You admit Weigmann struggles vs 3-4 teams guess what defense teams in our divison play?
Yes, you're right, but then again, we don't run a power blocking scheme now do we? Dumbass.

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You comparing a 37 year olds play from nearly 10 years ago to current is laughable.
No, not 10 yrs. ago. 10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3, and 2 years ago.

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