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You are so heavily invested in the Jets sucking it makes me laugh, you talk about their hype all the ****ing time. From superbowl hype to this so don't give me this bullshit you reerun.

Durrr, I wonder why that's not happening.

But they didn't DRAFT those guys, which is the whole point. Whether picks were used via trade doesn't matter.

Even the Patriots fan here is admitting to FA and trade moves to mask draft failures, so maybe you should look in the mirror when you wanna call someone a dumb****.

What are you talking about?

I think it's HYSTERICAL that they BACKED into the playoffs...Sanchez had a TERRIBLE year...and they are basically the same team they were last year...

They beat a terrible Bengals team (that I predicted would happen)...and then stunned the world when they beat the Chargers (nothing to do with Sanchez, I'll tell you that)...and then the Colts made that defense look like the Chiefs defense...

That team is so overhyped right now it isn't even funny...

They are going to be the odds on favorite to win a division the Pats have OWNED for almost a decade...

You're god damn right I'm excited...the Pats are going to win me EASY money. EASY, EASY money.

I might get 3:1 on the Pats winning that division...

3:1...

In 2007 it was probably 1:10...even last year...it was probably 1:4 or 1:5

how does that not matter?

They used a 2nd, 4th and a 7th and in return they got Randy Moss and Wes Welker...

Those are draft picks.

THEY USED TWO DRAFT PICKS AND IN RETURN THEY GOT TWO ALL-PRO CALIBER RECEIVERS.

That's a win.

well then he's an idiot, too...

they bought Moss for $0.10 on the dollar with a 4th round pick...and Welker for $0.25 on the dollar with a 2nd round pick (and a throw in 7th)...

WHICH MEANS...

2007 was one of their best drafts...ever.

EVER.

How is this so hard to comprehend?

You forgot Adam Vinatieri for your group, and Ty Law also.

But no team has 100% roster turnover in 2 years. And most of those guys were from the Parcells era, which meant they fit Belichick's schemes better than the guys that had been brought in during the post-Tuna, pre BB era.

BB brought in these stiffs (during the SB winning seasons only): Tom Brady, Matt Light, Dan Koppen, Deion Branch, David Givens, Daniel Graham, Stephen Neal, Vince Wilfork, Richard Seymour, Eugene Wilson, Asante Samuel, Ty Warren....

it's worthless...

these guys are just trying to further push their anti-Pioli agenda...

Whoa, whoa, whoa. No team hits 100% on the draft, and of course you use free agency to fill holes. Every team does.

I admit the '06 and '08 drafts by the Patriots weren't great. But who the ehll doesn't trade a 2nd for Welker and a 4 for Moss? Eh? WHO DOESN'T DO THAT?!?!

Is that covering for draft failures at the WR position (Bethel Johnson and Chad Jackson)? Sure, I guess. But if Ozzie Newsome and Bill Polian were perfect, they'd probably have more than 1 SB apiece in the last decade, no?

Look, trading for Moss in a vacuum with nothing else factored in is a great move, I never said it wasn't, I like Moss as a player.

It's that while he's aging they've got nothing behind him at the position. The same can be said for numerous others, when you have 15 picks every year at the very least your team should have solid depth, you shouldn't have Sam Aiken getting WR playing time or starting a scrub RB in a league where a 5th rounder will pull a starting RB.

Trading for Moss and Welker is not the problem, the problem is those are the best things they've done with their picks because they've missed a ton as of late.

Well, I would be fi I actually said what thye're saying I said...
This. Especially when 2007 was a weak draft overall.

Wow. I hope the Patriots can make the playoffs or win a Super Bowl in my lifetime, considering the s****y GM I'm stuck with....

yeah...Green Bay is so much better than New England at drafting!

ROFL

2007: Justin Harrell
Brandon Jackson
James Jones
Aaron Rouse
Allen Barbre
David Clowney
Korey Hall
Desmond Bishop
Mason Crosby
DeShawn Wynn
Clark Harris



2008: Jordy Nelson
Brian Brohm
Patrick Lee
Jermichael Finley
Jeremy Thompson
Josh Sitton
Breno Giacomini
Matt Flynn
Brett Swain

See the thing is...

Green Bay IS a good drafting team...

Those two drafts have WAY more fail in them than success...

JUST LIKE ALMOST EVERY TEAM, EVERY YEAR...

More misses than hits...for EVERY team.

But we have these "message board gurus" who complain about 5th-7th round picks when, in all honesty, the odds of them working out are SLIM AND NONE.

Look at the Packers...

Their best picks were Jermichael Finley and Jordy "I'm a #4 WR and a return specialist" Nelson...

Yet Mecca envies them because...?