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DeezNutz 06-19-2010 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6831808)
Mentally damaged is over the top. However, players can develop bad habits over the course of time. Cassel wasn't a great QB in the first half of the season, by any stretch, and I'm not making any such claim. However, he was better in the first half than the second, and it's likely that much of that was because of the toll the games took on him. Once a QB starts looking for the rush and stops trusting his receivers, all sorts of bad habits will set in. As a Chiefs fan, you should be hoping that those habits will be dealt with during the offseason, because Cassel's apparently going to be the starter again, whether you like it or not.

The same sort of thing happened in New England, though at a different level. Brady's knee made him more skittish in the pocket, caused his drops to be different, and made him less willing to take a hit. The fact that the team's 3rd wideout was a special teams player who was horrible as a receiver meant that Brady stopped looking his way and began staring down his #1 and #2 receivers, with the resulting bad plays that you'd expect. The results were stark: once the Welker binky was gone and the team had to face the Ravens without him, Brady had one of the worst games of his career. Brady's season numbers were the second best in his career, yet it was clear that he wasn't the Brady he'd been pre-injury, and that impacted the offense and the team.
I don't dispute the fact that poor play around him is going to affect the QB negatively. My biggest complaint with Cassel, and why I think he'll ultimately continue to struggle, is that he's inaccurate and lacks the arm the arm strength that might help him compensate, in certain situations, for his inaccuracy.

Coogs 06-19-2010 12:44 PM
I posted this a few weeks ago, and in all fairness to Cassel, I think it bears repeating. In the 5 games that Cassel had both Bowe and Chambers as his 2 starting WR's, he did manage to throw for nearly 70 more yards per game than in the games where he did not have them both on the field. :shrug:

DBOSHO 06-19-2010 12:45 PM
Cassel left the pocket well before it showed the slightest sign of collapsing in alot of plays last year. I guess its just his natural instinct to shift to the right

mcaj22 06-19-2010 12:48 PM
so when are we trading for Randy Moss and Wes Welker? Because those are the only two guys you can put around Cassel to make him serviceable, and even then, he can't even win the right games to make the playoffs at 11-5.

milkman 06-19-2010 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 6831838)
so when are we trading for Randy Moss and Wes Welker? Because those are the only two guys you can put around Cassel to make him serviceable, and even then, he can't even win the right games to make the playoffs at 11-5.
While I'm not sold on Cassel, laying the blame for missing the playoffs on Cassel is stupid.

And the fact is, Moss didn't show up quite often for Cassel during that season.

He did what Moss does, and quit, to an extent, on the Patriots.

Mr. Laz 06-19-2010 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by DBOSHO (Post 6831830)
Cassel left the pocket well before it showed the slightest sign of collapsing in alot of plays last year. I guess its just his natural instinct to shift to the right
he was getting the shit beat out of him

alot of QB get skittish after being hit all the time

if he actually receives some protection this year then we'll see whether he can handle it or not.

Just Passin' By 06-19-2010 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6831823)
I don't dispute the fact that poor play around him is going to affect the QB negatively.
That, and the reality that such a situation will have tend to have some longer term effects, was the point I was making.

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 6831823)
My biggest complaint with Cassel, and why I think he'll ultimately continue to struggle, is that he's inaccurate and lacks the arm the arm strength that might help him compensate, in certain situations, for his inaccuracy.
The key in the NFL is to be of strong enough arm that you can make the throws. Cassel's arm is strong enough to do that. Not every QB is J.P. Losman or JaMarcus Russell: some of them are Chad Pennington. And, given where those respective careers have gone, it's pretty clear that the arm strength tends to get overblown.

Accuracy is a different issue. Cassel's completion percentage and accuracy were fine in 2008, when he had a good offensive line and quality receivers who could make proper reads, avoid disruption of patterns, and adjust for the ball when needed. They were not so fine in 2009, when he had a lousy offensive line and shitty receivers that couldn't catch, couldn't get off the line, didn't know or care where the hell they were supposed to be running, and couldn't adjust for the ball. The question moving forward is how Cassel's accuracy will be when he's got a receiving corps that's somewhere in between the top 2-3 corps in the game and one of the 2-3 sorriest groups of 'receivers' in the NFL.

Just Passin' By 06-19-2010 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6831811)
LMAO

Thanks for making my point.
I disagreed with you. You're making an erroneous claim. My pointing that out by breaking down a pair of terms does not make your point. You are essentially claiming to know why Cassel was running by giving an answer that runs counter to what he claims to be his reasoning.

That's just stupid.

milkman 06-19-2010 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6831883)
I disagreed with you. You're making an erroneous claim. My pointing that out by breaking down a pair of terms does not make your point. You are essentially claiming to know why Cassel was running by giving an answer that runs counter to what he claims to be his reasoning.

That's just stupid.
Where did I claim to know why he was running.

I claimed that he ran when he didn't have to.

He ran even though it wasn't impacted by pressure.

Who gives a rat's ass as to why?

Just Passin' By 06-19-2010 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6831899)
Where did I claim to know why he was running.

I claimed that he ran when he didn't have to.

He ran even though it wasn't impacted by pressure.

Who gives a rat's ass as to why?

People with brains who are trying to analyze an issue rather than just piss and moan.

milkman 06-19-2010 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6831907)
People with brains.
You are disqualified to care then.

I don't give a rat's ass as to why, because I can't do anything about it.
I can only talk about it.

I do want it fixed.

I want a QB that can play with confidence in the pocket, and run only wehn it's actually necessary.

'Hamas' Jenkins 06-19-2010 01:40 PM
Just Passing By playing the role of Michael Jack Johnson.

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Halfcan 06-19-2010 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6831552)
If anyone has an excuse that says it's the players around him, that would be Croyle.

However, he's the football equivalent of Humpty Dumpty, so starting him would only mean we'd see Cassel starting later rather than the start of the season.
ROFL humpty dumpty

TRR 06-19-2010 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by orange (Post 6831698)
And then there's Cassel.
Yea idiot....challenging for the starting job at USC isn't a major college.
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Bane 06-19-2010 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by TRR (Post 6832046)
Yea idiot....challenging for the starting job at USC isn't a major college.
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Challenge.
a call to take part in a contest or competition, esp. a duel : he accepted the challenge.
• a task or situation that tests someone's abilities : the ridge is a challenge for experienced climbers.
• an attempt to win a contest or championship in a sport : a world title challenge.
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