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SAUTO 08-29-2010 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 6962705)
Serious question Jason... Do you really like what you see in Cassel?

not all the time. i see some things he does right. i see some he does wrong.

im not naive enough to blame it all on him. in this case chambers was covered. he made the right read, nothing to complain about unless you blame him for the dlineman that albert was blocking knocking it down.

helll i said the other day that he needs to shit or go. not play good enough to save his job.

step up when the bullets fly or die and be gone after this season.
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Coogs 08-29-2010 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 6962723)
not all the time. i see some things he does right. i see some he does wrong.

im not naive enough to blame it all on him. in this case chambers was covered. he made the right read, nothing to complain about unless you blame him for the dlineman that albert was blocking knocking it down.

helll i said the other day that he needs to shit or go. not play good enough to save his job.

step up when the bullets fly or die and be gone after this season.
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Fair enough. I have not had time to read everything... everyweek. There seems to be a small faction of the Planet that seems to be defending Cassel at every turn. Didn't know if you were one of those or not, but I have seen you defend him quite a bit.

I just see a lot more to not like that to like. Wished it wasn't that way, but the guy just does not make me feel good about our offense.

SAUTO 08-29-2010 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs (Post 6962733)
Fair enough. I have not had time to read everything... everyweek. There seems to be a small faction of the Planet that seems to be defending Cassel at every turn. Didn't know if you were one of those or not, but I have seen you defend him quite a bit.

I just see a lot more to not like that to like. Wished it wasn't that way, but the guy just does not make me feel good about our offense.

i do end up defending him quite a bit.

if i agree about a bad play he had i usually just dont chime in. what would be the point? 100 posts say the same thing.

if people are bitching and totally off base i put my opinion out there.

i also say something when every thread turns into a cassel bashing. even unrealated threads. THAT takes away from the planet IMO.
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milkman 08-29-2010 03:54 PM

A flea flicker takes a long time in to develop, relative to most plays in the NFL, and that play, because Chambers didn't get open and Matt Cassel drifted toward the LOS to checkdown even took longer, and we are expected to blame an O-Lineman for not sustaining his block for that amount of time?

Dave Lane 08-29-2010 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6962341)
Cassel hasn't been anywhere near as bad as he's been portrayed on this board.

Thank you and I agree. Seriously he hasn't been good but good god people try to act like like a frikking adult not a 2 year old. We are stuck there is nothing better out there we can get. He's so far been below average and has acted scared. I say good if that's the way he ends the season we will part ways with him and get a new possible QBOTF in here and hopefully we will finally hit on one.

Myself I'm still hoping that he improves and proves all of us wrong. I refuse to get my dander up over it till there is a better option. If we get somebody better then I'll get upset if he's still playing, till then psssfft...

Brock 08-29-2010 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 6962889)
Thank you and I agree. Seriously he hasn't been good but good god people try to act like like a frikking adult not a 2 year old. We are stuck there is nothing better out there we can get. He's so far been below average and has acted scared. I say good if that's the way he ends the season we will part ways with him and get a new possible QBOTF in here and hopefully we will finally hit on one.

Myself I'm still hoping that he improves and proves all of us wrong. I refuse to get my dander up over it till there is a better option. If we get somebody better then I'll get upset if he's still playing, till then psssfft...

I love this. "Yeah, he's stunk the joint up, but we're stuck with him, so why complain". Some of you have clearly been eating shit for so long you're learning to like it.

Just Passin' By 08-29-2010 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6962847)
A flea flicker takes a long time in to develop, relative to most plays in the NFL, and that play, because Chambers didn't get open and Matt Cassel drifted toward the LOS to checkdown even took longer, and we are expected to blame an O-Lineman for not sustaining his block for that amount of time?

You think Albert just stopped trying to block because the clock in his head said "stop" even though the play was still going on right in front of him?

What team coaches that?

milkman 08-29-2010 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6963010)
You think Albert just stopped trying to block because the clock in his head said "stop" even though the play was still going on right in front of him?

What team coaches that?

Did I say he stopped trying to block, dumbass?

Just Passin' By 08-29-2010 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6963012)
Did I say he stopped trying to block, dumbass?

No, you posted something idiotic. I asked a question in response.

milkman 08-29-2010 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6963018)
No, you posted something idiotic. I asked a question in response.

So let me see if I understand this.

You think it's reasonable to expect an O-Lineman to hold and maintain his block for 6 seconds?

SAUTO 08-29-2010 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6962847)
A flea flicker takes a long time in to develop, relative to most plays in the NFL, and that play, because Chambers didn't get open and Matt Cassel drifted toward the LOS to checkdown even took longer, and we are expected to blame an O-Lineman for not sustaining his block for that amount of time?

no and sorry if i implied that. the broken play caused it. time.
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milkman 08-29-2010 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passing By
I think it's reasonable for an offensive lineman to play as hard as he can until the ball's out or the whistle blows. When it comes plays like the flea flicker, those linemen know that they might have to hold their blocks longer than usual.

You deleted this originally, so it's a good thing I saw it before you did.

That leads me back to the question I asked earlier.

Did I say he stopped trying to block?

Just Passin' By 08-29-2010 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6963048)
So let me see if I understand this.

You think it's reasonable to expect an O-Lineman to hold and maintain his block for 6 seconds?

I think it's reasonable for an offensive lineman to play as hard as he can until the ball's out or the whistle blows. When it comes plays like the flea flicker, those linemen know that they might have to hold their blocks longer than usual.

I think it's reasonable for a QB to look at "checkdown" options, even on a trick play, when the first look is covered.

I think one can question whether Albert quit too soon, and one can answer that however one wishes (again, I'd love a list of teams that tell the offensive linemen to quit battling before the ball is out or the play is over), but it doesn't somehow make Cassel to blame for the initial receiver not being open and his finding an underneath man who's route meant that Cassel had to throw over a D-lineman, and that's essentially what Baby Lee is trying to do.

milkman 08-29-2010 06:01 PM

The funny thing is that you dumbasses don't even know what the hell you are talking about.

Albert was initially doubling down when he saw the D-Lineman break away from the middle and work around to the edge.

He came off his initial block and was just preparing to engage the D-Lineman when Cassel released the ball.

He hadn't even had a chance to fully engage him in a block yet.

Baby Lee 08-29-2010 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By (Post 6963082)
I think it's reasonable for an offensive lineman to play as hard as he can until the ball's out or the whistle blows. When it comes plays like the flea flicker, those linemen know that they might have to hold their blocks longer than usual.

I think it's reasonable for a QB to look at "checkdown" options, even on a trick play, when the first look is covered.

I think one can question whether Albert quit too soon, and one can answer that however one wishes (again, I'd love a list of teams that tell the offensive linemen to quit battling before the ball is out or the play is over), but it doesn't somehow make Cassel to blame for the initial receiver not being open and his finding an underneath man who's route meant that Cassel had to throw over a D-lineman, and that's essentially what Baby Lee is trying to do.

Besides the switch in coverage MM mentioned, what lineman on earth expects the QB to be throwing over his [the lineman's] shoulder at a low trajectory on a ****ING flea flicker, . . . unless they've been playing with captain checkdown Cassel.

All day, and no one has come up with a flea flicker in the history of the NFL that resulted in a batted down checkdown pass with the QB back up in the pocket, until last week.

Unless you count the 'numerous times' in 'recent years' the best QB of the area did that.


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