That clip is great! I like the guy in the foreground sitting there with no reaction or emotions. Totally hilarious.

You're agreeing with something that is patently false.

They hired Pioli and Haley late and they held over staff. Where is the evidence that the new regime completely ignored the old staff? I'd like to see it.

I don't want to argue an unknown.

Gretz reported it earlier this year. You'll need to do a search but it's definitely true. Someone linked the story, I think in January.

Pioli tossed out all the info gathered by the Chiefs scouts and used info obtained by his scouts in New England for the 2009 draft.

Whether those rumors are true or not is not really relevant; the 2010 Chiefs draft was handled by a completely different scouting (and coaching) staff than the 2009 draft, whether that draft was handled by New England people or Kansas City people. Which doesn't change or excuse the facts of the '09 draft, but it may explain why the 2010 draft seems to make more sense.

Although as I've said a number of times, I think a significant issue with the '09 draft was the '09 draft class itself, which I believe was a historically poor collection of talent as a whole. But that's just my opinion.

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthrea...li#post6433876

There ya do, Dude.

As for Pioli being hindered by second hand scouts left to him, that’s simply not true. Pioli basically froze out those scouts and personnel director Bill Kuharich in the run up and then on draft day.

He arrived with his information from New England along with a scout who had been let go up there, Jim Nagy. He paid no attention to any of the work done by the ’08 scouting department. I can tell you for a fact that the old group did not even have Colin Brown rated as a draftable player, but the Chiefs selected him in the fifth round.

Whether or not Pioli’s first draft class comes through or not, he has no one to blame but himself and the information he brought from the Patriots.

It's not a "rumor"

See above.

If was reported by no one but Gretz, it certainly was just a rumor.

As I said, I don't think it matters either way.

Pioli is paid $5 million a year to run an organization and mine talent.

Oher, Matthews, Cushing, Maclin and Harvin all would have been far better choices than Jackson. Even Rey Maualuga, selected in the second round would have been better than Jackson.

There should be NO excuses when you're picking third overall.

If Gretz was told directly by Kuharich, it's not a rumor.

Furthermore, who in the Kansas City media does ANY investigative journalism? Babb? Teicher? Whitlock?

LMAO

Good thing I wasn't trying to make excuses, then.

Yeah, 'cause he didn't have an axe to grind.

JFC.

I'm REALLY ****ING SICK OF THIS TYPE OF BULLSHIT.

This year, Gretz, a nearly 40 year journalist, has been accused of lying by internet ****ing twerps because it doesn't fit their stereotype of Scott Pioli.

They've accused Whitlock of the same exact thing.

Personally, I think you all need a ****ing cockpunch. Maybe it'll snap your asses back into reality.

It's absolutely ridiculous the kind of shit that's said around here. I'm sorry you weren't in the room when Gretz and Kuharich spoke, so I guess that means it's didn't happen.

:rolleyes:

You're smarter than this.

loooooooooooud noises

Pretty sure it's being ignored because it's easier to say the failure is Carl's fault. The best players on this team were drafted by Bill Kuharick when he and Herm had major say in the draft...think they'd pull out what happened in 2009 after the 08 draft?

I don't.