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vailpass 11-07-2011 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by LiveSteam (Post 8088715)
Im not Catholic. But just the same
SHUT THE **** UP DAVE WITH YOUR ATHEIST BULL SHIT. IT GETS OLD.
Your gonna shoot your mouth off to the wrong peep someday & your gonna find out if god is real or not
& further more DAVE, how do you know that Sandusky isnt an Atheist like you?
I cant see Sandusky believing in the teachings of the Bible after this

X10.
Loon that dent in your head makes you act like one weird son of a bitch. Like Otter said, confront the buggery you suffered in your past and deal with it.
Are you mad that you were man-****ed, or just mad that he never called back?

FAX 11-07-2011 11:03 AM

I'm confused. What does this have to do with religious beliefs? I must have missed something.

It's far more likely that the Illuminati hired the Freemasons to recruit this guy.

FAX

Pants 11-07-2011 11:24 AM

Remove penis and testicles and throw in prison for the rest of his life.

Swanman 11-07-2011 11:46 AM

Joe Pa has been a joke for the last several years, but this year is especially bad, with him sitting up in the booth just looking grumpy and not even wearing a headset. Hopefully this scandal puts that whole charade to rest for good.

Lzen 11-07-2011 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 8088818)
The official JoePa version is that the only thing he ever knew about any of this was when a graduate assistant (Mike McQueary, former Penn State QB, current WR coach) came to him in 2002 and told him he saw "something inappropriate" between Sandusky and a young boy in the showers.

The "something inappropriate", according to McQueary, was Sandusky having sex with the boy. But JoePa denies that McQueary told him he saw Sandusky having sex with a child.

Sandusky had been investigated by PSU campus police in 1998 for similar actions, but JoePa claims to have no knowledge of that investigation. A backup safety can't get a handjob in Happy Valley without JoePa hearing about it, but his defensive coordinator and 30-year assistant gets investigated for kiddy fiddling by the university's own police and nobody mentions it to the head coach. And in a total coincidence, Sandusky happened to step down the season after the investigation. That all sounds plausible.

But JoePa has to deny knowing about the prior investigation, because if he had some inkling of what Sandusky was up to, then the handling of the 2002 allegation looks practically criminal. And he has to deny that McQueary said he saw Sandusky having sex with a child, because if JoePa heard that, then the handling of the allegation again looks awful. To say nothing of the fact that Sandusky continued bringing kids around the program for years afterwards.

So basically, JoePa says he only knew of one claim, which he wasn't told the full, horrible extent of. And he told his higher-ups at the university and washed his hands of it.

But even that version, which spins him in the best possible light, still makes him look bad. The person who made the claim wasn't some guy, it was one of his former players and an assistant coach. And even a vague claim of inappropriateness between a grown man and a young boy on your campus, in your locker room, in your shower, should be enough to make someone's blood go cold.

But apparently it wasn't important enough to follow-up on.

This. I am having a hard time believing JoPa didn't know about this. And if he did and didn't say anything, then he's just as guilty, IMO.

FringeNC 11-07-2011 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRock (Post 8088818)
The official JoePa version is that the only thing he ever knew about any of this was when a graduate assistant (Mike McQueary, former Penn State QB, current WR coach) came to him in 2002 and told him he saw "something inappropriate" between Sandusky and a young boy in the showers.

The "something inappropriate", according to McQueary, was Sandusky having sex with the boy. But JoePa denies that McQueary told him he saw Sandusky having sex with a child.

Sandusky had been investigated by PSU campus police in 1998 for similar actions, but JoePa claims to have no knowledge of that investigation. A backup safety can't get a handjob in Happy Valley without JoePa hearing about it, but his defensive coordinator and 30-year assistant gets investigated for kiddy fiddling by the university's own police and nobody mentions it to the head coach. And in a total coincidence, Sandusky happened to step down the season after the investigation. That all sounds plausible.

But JoePa has to deny knowing about the prior investigation, because if he had some inkling of what Sandusky was up to, then the handling of the 2002 allegation looks practically criminal. And he has to deny that McQueary said he saw Sandusky having sex with a child, because if JoePa heard that, then the handling of the allegation again looks awful. To say nothing of the fact that Sandusky continued bringing kids around the program for years afterwards.

So basically, JoePa says he only knew of one claim, which he wasn't told the full, horrible extent of. And he told his higher-ups at the university and washed his hands of it.

But even that version, which spins him in the best possible light, still makes him look bad. The person who made the claim wasn't some guy, it was one of his former players and an assistant coach. And even a vague claim of inappropriateness between a grown man and a young boy on your campus, in your locker room, in your shower, should be enough to make someone's blood go cold.

But apparently it wasn't important enough to follow-up on.

Nice summary. Seems consistent with my readings of events.

lcarus 11-07-2011 12:19 PM

So this Sandusky guy used a "bubble fight" to further his sexual advancement in the shower? Michael Jackson could learn a thing or two from this guy...

eazyb81 11-07-2011 12:23 PM

No one has brought up the elephant in the room yet:

Sandusky and his wife have 6 adopted children and served as foster parents to countless others.

I bet we haven't even hit the tip of the iceberg on allegations yet.

the Talking Can 11-07-2011 12:30 PM

so posnanski has been working on a bio of Paterno...his take:

http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/11/0...ess/#more-8508

"A few months ago, I began working on a book about Penn State coach Joe Paterno. I have spent the last few months living in State College, Pa. Paterno gave me permission to write the book, but plays no editorial role in it....

...On Saturday, I read what might be the most haunting and sickening 23 pages of my life — the grand jury findings in the case of Jerry Sandusky, the once legendary defensive coordinator of Penn State University. "

FringeNC 11-07-2011 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 8089085)
No one has brought up the elephant in the room yet:

Sandusky and his wife have 6 adopted children and served as foster parents to countless others.

I bet we haven't even hit the tip of the iceberg on allegations yet.

This story doesn't seem so feel-good anymore:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...7979/index.htm

vailpass 11-07-2011 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8089111)
so posnanski has been working on a bio of Paterno...his take:

http://joeposnanski.si.com/2011/11/0...ess/#more-8508

"A few months ago, I began working on a book about Penn State coach Joe Paterno. I have spent the last few months living in State College, Pa. Paterno gave me permission to write the book, but plays no editorial role in it....

...On Saturday, I read what might be the most haunting and sickening 23 pages of my life — the grand jury findings in the case of Jerry Sandusky, the once legendary defensive coordinator of Penn State University. "

Good read, thanks for the link. I can't decide whether Pos is extremely fortunate or unfortunate to be in State College immersed in a Paterno study when all this broke.

Pants 11-07-2011 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC (Post 8089127)
This story doesn't seem so feel-good anymore:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...7979/index.htm

Ugh.

jspchief 11-07-2011 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81 (Post 8089085)
No one has brought up the elephant in the room yet:

Sandusky and his wife have 6 adopted children and served as foster parents to countless others.

I bet we haven't even hit the tip of the iceberg on allegations yet.

I already mentioned him using his youth at risk program as a supply line. It's been on TV too.

lcarus 11-07-2011 12:45 PM

This is absolutely unbelievable. Is there any way Paterno is totally innocent in all this? I've always been fond of him sort of. Not anymore...not if he turned his back on this...

Hootie 11-07-2011 12:57 PM

I'm willing to bet Paterno didn't know Sandusky was diddling dozens of children...I have a feeling Paterno should have done more, but I think it's a lot tougher to sell out a "friend" or at least a "coworker" than people think.

Of course, if Paterno knew that he was having sex with dozens of children it is inexcusable. But how do we know if he knew? He reported what was told to him to his AD...was that enough? Probably not. But he did do something and as of now he's not facing any charges. So I don't think the focus of this story should be on him, yet (at least). But I know that's where the big news would be so that's all anyone is going to talk about.

It's hard to find a good comparison in my mind...if I saw my close friend punch his girlfriend in the face...I don't think I'd call the police and report an assault. I'd be disturbed, I'd probably say something to him like "come on man, you can never do that!" but it would put me in a very tough situation.

Does he hit all of his girlfriends? What else has he done? Perhaps it would make me rethink my decision to have him as a close friend...but I wouldn't immediately pick up the phone and dial 911 etc...

now I know child molestation is about the most grotesque thing in this world...so there's that...and if the G.A. flat out told JoePa that he witnessed Sandusky having anal sex with a 10 year old boy and JoePa turned a blind eye for years after...then there's that...

but from what I've heard now this same G.A. is now a WR coach who would still be right there on that same campus Sandusky still roams around...

so???

I don't know.

I don't think Joe Paterno is the guy everyone should be worried about...perhaps, indirectly, he was an enabler but I highly doubt he was telling Sandusky to "make sure and lock up and clean up after himself" or anything like that...

Either way...I realize the big story is with JoePa and everyone likes big stories...but I think it's really unfair to pin another man's sick crimes on Joe Paterno.


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