I'm just saying:

Packers: With Aaron Rodgers, playoff team. Without, probably not.
Patriots - With Tom Brady, playoff team. Without, not.
Steelers - With Roethlisberger, playoff team. Without, not.
Colts - With Peyton Manning, playoff team. Without, not.
Atlanta - With Matt Ryan, playoff team. Without, not.
Saints - With Drew Brees, playoff team. Without, not.
Chargers - With Philip Rivers, playoff team. Without, not.
Lions - With Matt Stafford, playoff team. Without, not.

The Bengals maybe could be added to this list.

How much impact would a coaching change have on those teams? Pretty ****ng nominal.

The exceptions come with teams who have consistently great team defenses:
Bears
Eagles (not this year, however.)
Ravens

First of all, your numbers are way off. Belicheat made the most of any H.C. last year at 7.5mil, and the average is much lower.
Your right though, coaching with his son wouldn't be important to him at all. Who knows. His son might have only gotten the job if Charlie came along. Either way, I'd think having an opportunity to coach side by side with his son, and teach him a thing or two along the way would be a pretty rewarding thing to do before he retires a multi-millionaire. Hell, I hope is 20 yrs. I have an opportunity to work alongside my son if he chooses to go into my line of work. You must be underestimating what it means to be someones Dad. You have kids?

The deep end is where the big boys swim, Mr. Laz. We don't paddle around in the kiddie pool. We're like the sharks. Or the manta ray deals. Or the giant manatees of truth and constancy and honor and fresh blueberry muffins straight out of the oven.

FAX

We'll know in the next day or so. I pre-ordered it and had it auto-delivered to my iPad, I'm going to try to get through it in the next few days.

In short Laz. I agree with you that Cassel is a problem. Where we disagree is that I believe even as "good" as he was last year, he is the biggest problem. Whereas, even bad coaching can be overcome by good play, especially by the QB. Our Oline sucks and so does their coaching. True Haley picked that coach, but not only did Pioli sign off on the decision, but he picked the coach who picked that coach. If you are going to push your shit uphill, why stop at Haley?

Haley takes the blame and gets the finger pointed at him, b/c he is the point man for the players. He has meetings with the coordinators as far as gameplans are concerned, but he doesn't come up with and implement them on his own. Sundays defensive gameplan was as much Romeo's as it was Haley's, and that is where this team lost the game on Sunday. Every Dolphin lineman save Vernon Carey graded out positively on Sunday. They stoned Tamba and we got zero pressure. To compensate, we called a whopping total of 5 blitzes on Sunday. That has Romeo written all over it does it not? We let Matt Moore, a terrible passer under pressure, sit back in a perfectly clean pocket ALL DAY LONG, and we paid for it. Not only that, but their lineman were pulling and getting to the second level at will, effectively taking DJ out of the game. We let the Dolphins tired ass offense out scheme us and take our best two defenders in the front seven completely out of the game. We were CRAZY weak at safety for this game and it showed. Not only that, but Marshall had his way with Flowers too.

The defense let the Dolphins drive all day. Even when they managed to make them punt, the ball was consistently inside of the 20yd. line for the offense. The offensive line BLEW like I've never seen before. That is where the OL coaching comes in. You'd think the Oline would know how to pick up a blitz after 3 years in the current system, of course, they don't have Peyton Manning calling out blitzers for them either, b/c Cassel didn't know where the blitz was coming from. Then of course the offense would stall, before it got started, we'd punt, and the Dolphins would begin their drive with GREAT field position. Average started field positions were more than likely WAY different. Bottom line, you don't let the Phins put up 31 points. Period.

Some college football HC's make more than some NFL HC's. I'd imagine some coordinators do too. Especially guys with big names like Weiss.

Can't wait. Thanks in advance for any info you deliver...

This team has talent, probably more than we've had since Vermeil was here. However still big holes in talent that other teams are taking advantage of. I think Haley's talent is in getting players to play up to their capabilities, except perhaps Cassel. Those holes are what is holding us back. The fact that the opposition is only occassionally able to take advantage of us is probably due to the team being coached up. I still don't like the schemes, but again that may be necessitated by the talent. Haley shouldn't be on the hotseat as much as Pioli and ownership.

I agree I think coaching can only be blamed so far, these guys have been playing football their entire lives, how much more could they possibly need coached? They play in the nfl if they don't get it by now then they should go ahead and pursue their career as a gym teacher beings that most of them probably have pys ed degrees.

Fixed it for ya.

Mr. Laz is right. It's a tired, old argument.

Haley has his faults and his detractors focus on those.

Cassel is ... well ... he might be from somewhere near the Pleiades and his alien parents dropped him off here from a great height and he landed on his head ... he has his faults, too, and his detractors will focus on those.

The point of my original post is this; if Pioli has so, so, so much confidence in Haley and such a great working relationship and they are so committed to winning a Superbowl and all ... why in the name of Ms. RednFeisty's tight ass are we so far under the cap, invisible in free agency, and starting one of the worst quarterbacks in the history of the NFL?

That doesn't sound like teamwork to me. Ergo and thus, I claim that Pioli is full of crap.

FAX

I have to agree FAX. If KC had a stud QB the entire team would be better on both sides of the ball. If KC had a stud Rush the passer DE and QB this team would contend for the bowl once everyone gets healthy. I'd also like to see a shut down Corner with Flowers matched against the number two receiver and Carr the Nickel with Arenas backing up.

This team is only two or three KEY players away from being damn good.

I would like a team of Payton Manning, Barry Sanders, Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, and Tony Gonzalez.

Some postions have to be JAG

2009 Pittsburgh @ KC