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O.city 11-08-2011 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 8093278)
See Alex Smith for further assistance.
See the Chiefs 2010 NFL season with Charlie Weis and Matt Cassel.
See the Patriots 2008 NFL season with Josh McDaniels and Matt Cassel.

A good coaching staff can make any offense be productive.

How many good teams have the 9ers beat this year? We know about the 2010 Chiefs so just by you using that example I question your logic.

And we weren't talking about an offense being productive. We were talking about beating a good team in the league. It took Flaaco going Montana for the Ravens to go into Pitt and win.

The Bad Guy 11-08-2011 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8093284)
How many good teams have the 9ers beat this year? We know about the 2010 Chiefs so just by you using that example I question your logic.

And we weren't talking about an offense being productive. We were talking about beating a good team in the league. It took Flaaco going Montana for the Ravens to go into Pitt and win.

The 49ers have beaten tons of good teams this year.

The Bengals in Cinci, the Eagles across the country in Philly (winning there is impressive considering) and the Lions in Detroit. They shitbeat the Bucs, who are a decent team.

The 49ers are a complete team right now and I think they are built to do some real damage in January.

O.city 11-08-2011 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 8093300)
The 49ers have beaten tons of good teams this year.

The Bengals in Cinci, the Eagles across the country in Philly (winning there is impressive considering) and the Lions in Detroit. They shitbeat the Bucs, who are a decent team.

The 49ers are a complete team right now and I think they are built to do some real damage in January.

Not with Alex Smith at qb. Sorry but I just don't think we will see a team win a superbowl again without an elite qb.

And I think the Bengals are this years Chiefs. They haven't beaten anyone yet either.

'Hamas' Jenkins 11-08-2011 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 8093300)
The 49ers have beaten tons of good teams this year.

The Bengals in Cinci, the Eagles across the country in Philly (winning there is impressive considering) and the Lions in Detroit. They shitbeat the Bucs, who are a decent team.

The 49ers are a complete team right now and I think they are built to do some real damage in January.

The 49ers are a 90s Chiefs clone. You couldn't make that team any more like the 90s Chiefs. You should know how this script ends.

Iconic 11-08-2011 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8093284)
How many good teams have the 9ers beat this year? We know about the 2010 Chiefs so just by you using that example I question your logic.

And we weren't talking about an offense being productive. We were talking about beating a good team in the league. It took Flaaco going Montana for the Ravens to go into Pitt and win.

9ers have beat Cincy, Philly, Tampa Bay, Detriot, and had a VERY close one against Dallas. These are all competent teams and one of which has already proven they can kick our ass. They've done this all in spite of having Alex Smith as their QB.

I'm logically sane thank you. If Haley can't get our offense to produce there's a huge problem with HIM. He has received Le'ron McClain, Steve Breaston, a new gem in Battle, our first round draft pick Baldwin, and Hudson/Gaither. I realize Jamaal and Moeaki are out but a good Coach will make changes when injuries occur. Which is why I point to the 2008 Patriot season.

O.city 11-08-2011 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8093320)
The 49ers are a 90s Chiefs clone. You couldn't make that team any more like the 90s Chiefs. You should know how this script ends.

Bingo. They run the ball, play good d, and tell the qb not to **** up too bad. Remind you of anything?

BossChief 11-08-2011 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8093272)
No one replied or said anything about it so I'll ask again: What would be everyone's thought about trying to get Mallett from the Pats? You could keep most of this years draft to add more talent and get a guy that already is better and has more potential than our qb does.

Again I like some aspects of this and don't like some. Just throwing it out there.

Ive said this the last few times Ive chosen to respond to the possibility.

For NE to want to trade Mallett, they would have to be getting a premium on the pick they used to select him...at least a full round higher and then some.

OR

They would also have to look at him as a guy they can live without in the future and a guy that has problems as anticipated.

Now, onto us...

During the draft, we didnt feel he was worth even a third rounder....so, something would have to have changed between now and the time of the previous draft that made him worth a lot more to us.

I would have to believe that if NE thinks highly of Mallett, they would have to be demanding a early second rounder at worst and a mid to late first at best and I dont think that would be worth it.

Ryan has a big timer arm ( I honestly don't think its head and shoulders higher than Stanzis, though), but doesn't do very well under pressure, isn't exceptionally accurate, is a Statue of Bledsoe back there and has real questions about a serious drug problem that may or may not exist.

For me, Id rather make a move for one of the kids in this upcoming draft and make a ****ing statement that "you are our kid and we are gonna develop you into a great quarterback"

IMO a trade for Mallett would be only slightly better than trading for Cassel.

We need OUR OWN KID, NOT SOMEBODY ELSES FOR THE NEXT GO AROUND, PLEASE!!!!

PLEASE!!!!

The Bad Guy 11-08-2011 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 8093320)
The 49ers are a 90s Chiefs clone. You couldn't make that team any more like the 90s Chiefs. You should know how this script ends.

I think they are a dangerous team. I could be very wrong, but I think their coaching takes them far.

O.city 11-08-2011 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 8093323)
9ers have beat Cincy, Philly, Tampa Bay, Detriot, and had a VERY close one against Dallas. These are all competent teams and one of which has already proven they can kick our ass. They've done this all in spite of having Alex Smith as their QB.

I'm logically sane thank you. If Haley can't get our offense to produce there's a huge problem with HIM. He has received Le'ron McClain, Steve Breaston, a new gem in Battle, our first round draft pick Baldwin, and Hudson/Gaither. I realize Jamal and Moeaki are out but a good Coach will make changes when injuries occur. Which is why I point to the 2008 Patriot season.

I agree with you man about the guys we have on offense. We have the weapons to have a top 10 offense. We just don't have the qb and that's really all that matters.

Iconic 11-08-2011 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8093332)
I agree with you man about the guys we have on offense. We have the weapons to have a top 10 offense. We just don't have the qb and that's really all that matters.

If a QB is all that matters then the 08 Pats would have lost every single game because they had the same guy under center that we have now.

O.city 11-08-2011 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8093326)
Ive said this the last few times Ive chosen to respond to the possibility.

For NE to want to trade Mallett, they would have to be getting a premium on the pick they used to select him...at least a full round higher and then some.

OR

They would also have to look at him as a guy they can live without in the future and a guy that has problems as anticipated.

Now, onto us...

During the draft, we didnt feel he was worth even a third rounder....so, something would have to have changed between now and the time of the previous draft that made him worth a lot more to us.

I would have to believe that if NE thinks highly of Mallett, they would have to be demanding a early second rounder at worst and a mid to late first at best and I dont think that would be worth it.

Ryan has a big timer arm ( I honestly don't think its head and shoulders higher than Stanzis, though), but doesn't do very well under pressure, isn't exceptionally accurate, is a Statue of Bledsoe back there and has real questions about a serious drug problem that may or may not exist.

For me, Id rather make a move for one of the kids in this upcoming draft and make a ****ing statement that "you are our kid and we are gonna develop you into a great quarterback"

IMO a trade for Mallett would be only slightly better than trading for Cassel.

We need OUR OWN KID, NOT SOMEBODY ELSES FOR THE NEXT GO AROUND, PLEASE!!!!

PLEASE!!!!

Man not to be blunt, but the Stanzi thing is getting a little to crazy. His arm is not close to Malletts. I also want our own, but there's no way we trade up to get one of the ones in this years draft.

I thought he was pretty accurate in college. Not arguing with you just thought he was.

ILChief 11-08-2011 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8093272)
No one replied or said anything about it so I'll ask again: What would be everyone's thought about trying to get Mallett from the Pats? You could keep most of this years draft to add more talent and get a guy that already is better and has more potential than our qb does.

Again I like some aspects of this and don't like some. Just throwing it out there.

I'd rather go with Stanzi than Mallett

O.city 11-08-2011 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Iconic (Post 8093344)
If a QB is all that matters then the 08 Pats would have lost every single game because they had the same guy under center that we have now.


To drive home my point that you can't beat great teams very often without a great qb, look at the Pats schedule that year and who they beat. It's very Chiefs 2010 esque.

BossChief 11-08-2011 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ILChief (Post 8093356)
I'd rather go with Stanzi than Mallett

Id also rather go with Stanzi than all but 3 (maybe 4) of the quarterbacks in this upcoming class.

O.city 11-08-2011 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 8093370)
Id also rather go with Stanzi than all but 3 (maybe 4) of the quarterbacks in this upcoming class.

I'd atleast like to see him play a little this year.


If we compete for the rest of the year and win 7-9 games with the injuries we have had this year, I think it would be a mistake not to push in the chips and try and get one of the top prospects in this years class.


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