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FringeNC 12-13-2011 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 8200264)
I have no idea as I am no longer invited to their meetings being as how I was a pro-Haley guy, and all. However, I should like to speculate out the ass like unto Mr. SensibleChiefsfan ...

After what several Planeteers mentioned regarding the presser, I went back and watched it again paying special attention to both physical and facial clues that indicate discomfort and falsification (as you know, Mr. Chiefnj2, I am a student of such things).

I determined that Clark felt far more "in control" and calm than Pioli. Clark did not outright lie during the conference, and even though he did dance around answers, he did so with composure. Pioli, on the other hand, looked very uncomfortable throughout and was either extremely ill-prepared or downright discombobulated. Pioli also resorted to lies regarding his relationship with Haley and the reasons for the dismissal at this time.

In summary, Clark is pissed off and desires a course correction that does not involve technical fouls on the HC and lots of curse words. Pioli appears to have been doused with a jug of Humility Juice.

The thing I thought that was most telling was Pioli's comment that "I have to do a better job" in reference to the roster. I think it was Gretz who posed the question ... "so ... was it coaching or talent?" that caught Pioli completely off guard and off balance. It's clear to me, at least, that Pioli is embarrassed by something ... it could be that his ass was kicked by the man sitting next to him ... or it could be that he was simply cowed by the fact that his HC choice didn't work out.

FAX

Yep. And then there is also the possibility that Clark is appalled by the political games the front office played on Haley, if he just found out, which is possible, given that I don't think he's informed about the team as most CP'ers.

htismaqe 12-13-2011 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8200170)
Wow.

Just heard the clip from yesterday's presser where Gretz asked Pioli if hiring Haley was a mistake.

"Uh, um, um, uh, uh....uncomfortable stammering"


Why can't Pioli just admit that he made a mistake?

How about the part where they need someone who can help them continue to develop..."not just the young guys"...

He's talking about MATT ****ING CASSEL. I want to puke.

OnTheWarpath15 12-13-2011 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8200316)
How about the part where they need someone who can help them continue to develop..."not just the young guys"...

He's talking about MATT ****ING CASSEL. I want to puke.

Factory of sadness.

Estron 12-13-2011 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 2bikemike (Post 8199107)
Pioli is responsible for acquiring talent. To leave money on the table when there are clearly needs that need to be met is just asinine if you want to contend.

Is the money being left on the table because of Pioli or because of Hunt? Has Hunt ever said to Pioli, "Go get me the best team you can get within the cap," or have his instructions been, "Let's see what we can do with the cheapest talent we can get"?

If it's on Hunt, then that's just too bad; as long as Hunt doesn't start gabbling Marge Schott-style about how good Hitler was, you can't, can't, can't fire the owner. But if the decision to spend so little was Pioli's, then why hasn't Hunt fired him already?

FAX 12-13-2011 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Estron (Post 8200698)
Is the money being left on the table because of Pioli or because of Hunt? Has Hunt ever said to Pioli, "Go get me the best team you can get within the cap," or have his instructions been, "Let's see what we can do with the cheapest talent we can get"?

If it's on Hunt, then that's just too bad; as long as Hunt doesn't start gabbling Marge Schott-style about how good Hitler was, you can't, can't, can't fire the owner. But if the decision to spend so little was Pioli's, then why hasn't Hunt fired him already?

The cap deal is a bit of a mirage. We have a young team which naturally tends to keep the payroll down. We haven't seemed to have much difficulty in coming to terms with guys we want to keep, though. And that's an indicator that we're not being too chintzy. Then, you have FA which is a deal you normally use to fill in players once you've built your core roster. Most people will tell you that's where and when the money needs to be spent.

However, it's pretty clear that the Hunts decided to stay under the cap in order to recoup their investment in the Arrowhead renovations. Even so, I'm not sure how spending more money would have improved the team so much that it would have made a difference this year.

You could make a legitimate argument that we could have spent money to improve our depth or found players at a couple of key positions. Still, unless or until we have a quarterback who can compete at this level, that's patching holes in a boat that's already at the bottom of the Sea Of Dashed Aspirations.

FAX

ChiefsCountry 12-13-2011 04:39 PM

Cassel is all about Piol's ego. He was the one who scouted Cassel at USC's pro day, he was the one who drafted him in New England, he was the dumbass who traded and gave him the big contract. Pioli thinks he is the smartest guy in the room and doesn't want to admit failure which Cassel is.

DTLB58 12-13-2011 04:55 PM

Scott-You need to fix the QB, NT and RT
Immediately. If you do and everyone comes back healthy
With strong leadership at HC they can begin to go places, if not
We will be watching your presser sooner than later.

Hammock Parties 12-13-2011 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KCtotheSB (Post 8198911)
GoChiefs, why are you the only user that can't seem to stick with ONE username and avatar? Find one and be done with it already.

I don't change my username. Mods do that. The mods are evil creatures.

Hammock Parties 12-13-2011 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 8200170)
Wow.

Just heard the clip from yesterday's presser where Gretz asked Pioli if hiring Haley was a mistake.

"Uh, um, um, uh, uh....uncomfortable stammering"


Why can't Pioli just admit that he made a mistake?

That was the best part of it all...Pioli was sweating.

I'm guessing Clark told Scott he didn't want to slam Haley during the presser, and that they needed to accept some responsibility.

O.city 12-13-2011 05:41 PM

Hopefully Hunt reemed Piolis ass for not making him more money.

GloryDayz 12-13-2011 05:50 PM

LOL... I love it!!!!

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stonedstooge 12-13-2011 06:00 PM

The new CBA had to include a minimum of 90 percent of monies for players salaries be spent because of Clark Hunt continuing to not spend money that was supposed to be for players salaries. Called the Chiefs out specifically. So what does Clark do? Holds back another $30 million of players money this year

whoman69 12-13-2011 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX (Post 8200714)
The cap deal is a bit of a mirage. We have a young team which naturally tends to keep the payroll down. We haven't seemed to have much difficulty in coming to terms with guys we want to keep, though. And that's an indicator that we're not being too chintzy. Then, you have FA which is a deal you normally use to fill in players once you've built your core roster. Most people will tell you that's where and when the money needs to be spent.

However, it's pretty clear that the Hunts decided to stay under the cap in order to recoup their investment in the Arrowhead renovations. Even so, I'm not sure how spending more money would have improved the team so much that it would have made a difference this year.

You could make a legitimate argument that we could have spent money to improve our depth or found players at a couple of key positions. Still, unless or until we have a quarterback who can compete at this level, that's patching holes in a boat that's already at the bottom of the Sea Of Dashed Aspirations.

FAX

I have to disagree. Creating depth on this team would not have impacted greatly the money spent, but we failed to do that. We also left a hole at RT the size of Pioli's ego. It might have been patchwork, but it was needed and in not doing so contributed to many of the blowout losses.

whoman69 12-13-2011 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega (Post 8200836)
That was the best part of it all...Pioli was sweating.

I'm guessing Clark told Scott he didn't want to slam Haley during the presser, and that they needed to accept some responsibility.

Nope, he just went and did it through all his cronies in the media behind the scenes.

Coach 12-13-2011 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia (Post 8198914)
We mods usually change his name to coincide with the most recent reeruned thing he's done or posted.

Well, why not change his name to "Tim Tebow" and put a Tebow avatar and/or sig? I think that's a great punishment.


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