Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan (Post 8216079)

I just don't think that Orton is any better.

Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan (Post 8215963)

@SD
Minnesota
@Indy.

All better games this year, without Charles and saddled with Haley on the sideline.

Orton didn't throw a TD.

But, don't let the facts get in the way of anyones opinion.

Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan (Post 8216035)

Once again, perception isn't reality. It happens a lot around here.

Originally Posted by mcan (Post 8216065)

Orton played a great game and is clearly an upgrade over Cassel. But the biggest difference out there today was the way the offense was set up. We ran screens with O-linemen lead blocking against blitzes, giving our guys space 4 times today (three of them were successful). We haven't done that ALL YEAR. Not once, did we throw a shitty bobble screen to a wr, and just hope that the slot could make a block against a corner in press coverage. We only threw the wr screen twice, but NEVER relied on that low percentage block. We just took it when their guys were playing off. We also better utilized our TEs and got them up the seems against zone defenses and used the deep middle part of the field. By doing so, we were able to neutralize the opponents blitzes and make them play honestly (instead of going max protect and trying to BLOCK 7 and 8 man blitzes). our offensive line ran TRAPS today, on a lot of runs that weren't counters. We also actually PITCHED the ball a few times, instead of just running stretches, which gave our running backs a chance to use efficient footwork to catch the corner, instead of making them footRACE to the sideline. This offense looked like a professional offense, not just in execution but in preparation and style. It's VERY clear that Haley's system of offense was dragging everybody down, and now that the cancer has been removed, we can start actually evaluating what we have.

Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan (Post 8216079)

I wish Haley was still here, so that we could actually judge Orton in the same situation.

I have said ALL along, for a long time, that Cassel is average, Haley makes him and the entire offense less than average.

Either way, Crennel got more out of this team than Haley did all season.

I wanted Haley gone. I am fine with Cassel leaving. I just don't think that Orton is any better.

Originally Posted by mcan (Post 8216065)

We ran screens with O-linemen lead blocking against blitzes, giving our guys space 4 times today (three of them were successful). We haven't done that ALL YEAR.

Originally Posted by mcan (Post 8216065)

Not once, did we throw a shitty bobble screen to a wr, and just hope that the slot could make a block against a corner in press coverage. We only threw the wr screen twice, but NEVER relied on that low percentage block. We just took it when their guys were playing off.

Originally Posted by SenselessChiefsFan (Post 8216079)

I wish Haley was still here, so that we could actually judge Orton in the same situation.

I have said ALL along, for a long time, that Cassel is average, Haley makes him and the entire offense less than average.

Either way, Crennel got more out of this team than Haley did all season.

I wanted Haley gone. I am fine with Cassel leaving. I just don't think that Orton is any better.

Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8216063)

STFU

We are arguing Orton vs Cassel, dumbass.

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8215784)

same playcalling (McCluster up the middle, anyone?)...

Originally Posted by JCharles1981 (Post 8216067)

I am not putting my trust in Kyle Orton until I see what he does next year. Having him start the last 3 games of this season isn't enough for me to make a judgment call on whether or not he can spark a fire into the Chiefs' offense. Remember how excited many of us were when Dick Vermeil became the Head Coach during the first half of the last decade, and then were bummed when we only made it to the playoffs once in the 5 years he was with us? Don't cross your fingers just yet.

Originally Posted by milkman (Post 8216087)

His numbers in those games are comparable, but he was crap in the first half against both Indy, the worst team in the league, and against Minnesota.

He threw for more TDs, but most were the result of the receivers making great efforts on YAC.

One was piss poor throw that Bowe made a play on and ran through the defense.

Orton's throws were delivered accurately and on time.

Not once has Cassel been able to do that.

Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 8216114)

So far he looks great but one game is still one game. If he throws 4 INTS next week everyone will swing back the other way.

He definitely throws a stronger ball than Cassel

Originally Posted by KCBOSS1 (Post 8216003)

If Orton plays out the rest of the season like he did today, he deserves the starting job hands down with no concern for "competition". I wasn't an Orton supporter but after not having a real quarterback in this offense since Trent Green, the potential of this team looks completely different with him in there. I believe a win like this could absolutely bond players with coach, with quarterback. If he continues like he did today, we should not draft a QB first round, he shouldn't have to look over his shoulder. The job should be completely his. If a highly ranked qb falls to a lower round, that's different.

Originally Posted by mcan (Post 8216065)

Orton played a great game and is clearly an upgrade over Cassel. But the biggest difference out there today was the way the offense was set up. We ran screens with O-linemen lead blocking against blitzes, giving our guys space 4 times today (three of them were successful). We haven't done that ALL YEAR. Not once, did we throw a shitty bobble screen to a wr, and just hope that the slot could make a block against a corner in press coverage. We only threw the wr screen twice, but NEVER relied on that low percentage block. We just took it when their guys were playing off. We also better utilized our TEs and got them up the seems against zone defenses and used the deep middle part of the field. By doing so, we were able to neutralize the opponents blitzes and make them play honestly (instead of going max protect and trying to BLOCK 7 and 8 man blitzes). our offensive line ran TRAPS today, on a lot of runs that weren't counters. We also actually PITCHED the ball a few times, instead of just running stretches, which gave our running backs a chance to use efficient footwork to catch the corner, instead of making them footRACE to the sideline. This offense looked like a professional offense, not just in execution but in preparation and style. It's VERY clear that Haley's system of offense was dragging everybody down, and now that the cancer has been removed, we can start actually evaluating what we have.