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Dave Lane 12-19-2011 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8219322)
Stop harping about 1 screen pass. You've written about it 100x already in the last 24 hours. We get it. That 1 pass doesn't necessarily mean that the playcalling was the even remotely similar.

Playcalling when it works > playcalling when it doesn't work. Dumb it down enough for you?

whoman69 12-19-2011 01:52 PM

I haven't watched the game yet since it wasn't carried here and I was out of town. It all just seems so mind bottling though.

Chiefnj2 12-19-2011 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 8219639)
Playcalling when it works > playcalling when it doesn't work. Dumb it down enough for you?

How many passes have been thrown to Becht all year? McClain, Becht and Cooper all had season high receptions yesterday. Otron was a big difference, but the playcalling spread the ball around more than it has all year. There weren't that many big shots downfield.

htismaqe 12-19-2011 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8219674)
How many passes have been thrown to Becht all year? McClain, Becht and Cooper all had season high receptions yesterday. Otron was a big difference, but the playcalling spread the ball around more than it has all year. There weren't that many big shots downfield.

The only way the playcalling spreads the ball around is if he's hitting the #1 read EVERY time.

Even the announcers on TV recognized that ORTON was spreading the ball around.

trndobrd 12-19-2011 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8219280)
Of course not...he would have started Palko.

What does that have to do with anything?


Highly doubtful that he would have started Palko. Crenell would have lost this game starting Cassel or Palko. Haley would have lost the game starting Orton.

Why does it matter? Because certain Cassel haters are incapable of understanding the level of suckage that was this season, want to pin yesterday's win entirely on the change a QB, and overlook the importance of having a game plan, a scheme, and decent play calling.

edit: Fact is that there has been a sufficient amount of Suck at 1 Arrowhead Dr to justify cutting Cassel, firing Haley AND firing Pioli.

Red Beans 12-19-2011 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8219651)
I haven't watched the game yet since it wasn't carried here and I was out of town. It all just seems so mind bottling though.

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htismaqe 12-19-2011 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by trndobrd (Post 8219687)
Highly doubtful that he would have started Palko. Crenell would have lost this game starting Cassel or Palko. Haley would have lost the game starting Orton.

Why does it matter? Because certain Cassel haters are incapable of understanding the level of suckage that was this season, want to pin yesterday's win entirely on the change a QB, and overlook the importance of having a game plan, a scheme, and decent play calling.

The game plan, for the past 2.5 years, has been built around Matt Cassel.

There is absolutely no way you can look at this game objectively and not understand that the change at QB makes EVERYTHING else possible.

Red Beans 12-19-2011 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8219694)
The game plan, for the past 2.5 years, has been built around Matt Cassel.

There is absolutely no way you can look at this game objectively and not understand that the change at QB makes EVERYTHING else possible.

It seems we've come to a chicken or the egg style debate here...

Could we not say that the QB and the play calling are co-evolutionary forces, each playing off one another, the confluence of the two resulting in the postive outcome we're debating today?

notorious 12-19-2011 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Beans (Post 8219697)
It seems we've come to a chicken or the egg style debate here...

Could we not say that the QB and the play calling are co-evolutionary forces, each playing off one another, the confluence of the two resulting in the postive outcome we're debating today?

Why did you wait until post #83 to say that?


That is exactly right.

jjjayb 12-19-2011 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 8219076)
And I don't think we have ran dick for screens. I know we have tried a few here and there but nothing like we saw yesterday.

You don't remember the screen we ran to lose the game against San Diego? The one where Cassel threw it to the guy on the other team? That's why we didn't run more screens. Because Cassel is inept.

Red Beans 12-19-2011 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 8219702)
Why did you wait until post #83 to say that?


That is exactly right.

I had to break for lunch.

Dave Lane 12-19-2011 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Beans (Post 8219697)
It seems we've come to a chicken or the egg style debate here...

Could we not say that the QB and the play calling are co-evolutionary forces, each playing off one another, the confluence of the two resulting in the postive outcome we're debating today?

Maybe. But the difference is not play calling. Its EXECUTION of the play calling. Every play that "works" is by definition a good play call. If you have Cassel and he can't execute the play that is called then this is the weak link.

htismaqe 12-19-2011 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Beans (Post 8219697)
It seems we've come to a chicken or the egg style debate here...

Could we not say that the QB and the play calling are co-evolutionary forces, each playing off one another, the confluence of the two resulting in the postive outcome we're debating today?

Good point.

jjjayb 12-19-2011 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8219674)
How many passes have been thrown to Becht all year? McClain, Becht and Cooper all had season high receptions yesterday. Otron was a big difference, but the playcalling spread the ball around more than it has all year. There weren't that many big shots downfield.

That has less to do with playcalling than with Orton actually progressing through reads. Cassel wouldn't spread the ball around because he'd look to his first receiver and if he was covered he'd shit his pants.

Red Beans 12-19-2011 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane (Post 8219713)
Maybe. But the difference is not play calling. Its EXECUTION of the play calling. Every play that "works" is by definition a good play call. If you have Cassel and he can't execute the play that is called then this is the weak link.


So you're saying the offense wasn't a wee bit different yesterday? Running reverses, multiple screens, McClain up the gut, McDuster to the outside? To say that there wasn't at least some tiny change in philosophy is obtuse...

Both QB & play calling were altered yeasterday when comapred with what we've seen this year...

co-evolutionary forces Dave...


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