I've had dreams where I'm constantly peeing, then I'm like WAKE UP WAKE UP WAKE UP GOD DAMNIT WAKE UP

Then I suggest a water bed and a lovely lady from our BBW threat that likes to toss and turn in her sleep.

Are you okay, Mr. seclark? I mean, this is like the longest post you've ever made in your whole life. Flat gabby today.

By the way, remember her? Ol' Flat Gabby? Quite a girl ...

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Used to experience frequent sleep interruptions due to pain.

Doctor gave me oxycodone...problem solved.

Ahhh great stuff. I've also used low dosed hyrocodone as a sleep aid. Too much of that stuff and it's like line of speed though.

This thread could use some Science.....

First off... most of the "Supplements" available do not do what you think they do. Supplements by and large are simply snake oil meant to take your money while giving you the psychologically pleasing feeling of helping yourself. There are some things for sure that actually have affects on your body that make it worth it, as you'll see from the graphic below.

I know there will be many posts saying BS, it worked for me and this guy I know. But generally all these ingredients have been studied to the point that we can prove exactly what it does and doesn't do. If you're convinced it's working for you, then great. That feeling of "Something is making me feel better" is powerful in its own right. Just know that anything labeled "Supplement" has no proof of whatever claim it makes. If there were any proof, it wouldn't need to be labeled as a supplement. And remember that supplements themselves are the least efficient way to introduce those ingredients into your body. Supplements generally are drastically less effective than ingesting actual foods containing those ingredients. Taking a Vitamin C pill is infinitely less effective than eating a couple oranges, etc. Whenever possible, go for the source of whatever ingredient you're wanting.

Here's a very handy graph, showing where the majority of supplements stack up. Note the "Worth it" line. Essentially everything under that isn't worth the money spent on the product. This graphic is dynamically updated and pulls info from the giant table of documentation at the link at the bottom of this post.

Unfortunately, the 3 ingredients in ZMA aren't even over the "Worth it" line.

http://imageshack.us/a/img4/6811/sna...ements956b.png

And here's the link with all the information used to construct this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...hl=en_GB#gid=0

That includes links to case studies and actual scientific information from sources that are not trying to sell you what they're recommending.

when you wake up, make sure to take your 5 hour energy, every day. Just like the commercials say.

They have creatine listed as a "cognition" supplement.

???

Yeah, because you don't need vitamins? :rolleyes: wtf

There's lots of misinformation on Creatine. It's generally sold for athletic and endurance purposes, but actually there's less proof of that effect than all the other researched uses for Creatine.

http://men.webmd.com/creatine

Who said you don't need vitamins?

You don't need vitamin supplements. You certainly need vitamins. And you get them from the foods you eat. Vitamin supplements are completely unnecessary for the most part.

Huh?

Uh...leaving aside my own experience with creatine, there is a metric ton of study that shows a very definite benefit to athletic performance. For distance runners? I don't know. For building lean muscle mass? Absolutely. Without question.

Yes. This used select studies to create the chart. I'm sure you could create a chart with everything flipped if you found the right studies.

First hand though, ZMA has made me feel better than pretty much any other supplement. That's pretty much all I can go off of.

You probably don't even like trains.

I don't see why anybody would want to eat tar.

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