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chiefzilla1501 01-04-2013 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9282093)
What?

Worst case scenario is the experiment doesn't work, they've sold out to build for the spread, and have to completely gut the thing so that it resembles an NFL team again.

They're taking a HUGE risk.
You're assuming he's going to sell out for a pure college spread. Pittsburgh is a good example of a team built around a more NFL-oriented spread, and they didn't have too much problem adapting to Haley's new offense.

Again... if he runs a stubbornly college-oriented spread, I think Cleveland is doomed. But I'm intrigued by Kelly because I'm very curious to see what scheme he runs, and very possibly it's something nobody was expecting.

O.city 01-04-2013 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9282149)
The league is moving to a more spread-oriented approach and teams are incorporating a ton of no-huddle, because it keeps defenses from switching personnel. Kelly's system can absolutely work. The question is if he will tweak the spread to fit the NFL.

Keep in mind that Kelly took somebody else's spread and came up with his own innovative twists, just like Monte Kiffin took the Tampa 2 and adapted it to fit the changing NFL. Interviews I've heard with Kelly indicate that he knows it could be a trendy defense and you have to adapt the scheme to the situation. From what I've heard, the guy is incredibly bright and learns very quickly, not like a copycat spread guy.

The offensive coordinator hire is going to be a big one. If he hires someone with NFL experience, that would help immensely in adapting his game. It's a risky hire, but I happen to think he's a smart guy who's going to find a really creative way to make his scheme fit the NFL.
Some are confusing up tempo with the spread. THe Pats use some parts of the spread in teh passing game.


Kelly's passing game is set up by their great running game.

O.city 01-04-2013 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9282162)
You're assuming he's going to sell out for a pure college spread. Pittsburgh is a good example of a team built around a more NFL-oriented spread, and they didn't have too much problem adapting to Haley's new offense.

Again... if he runs a stubbornly college-oriented spread, I think Cleveland is doomed. But I'm intrigued by Kelly because I'm very curious to see what scheme he runs, and very possibly it's something nobody was expecting.
Well, IMO, if he's gonna start with running it by going with McCoy, that'd be strike 1 in my book.

Reaper16 01-04-2013 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9282157)
Stanford's defense this year is better.
2012: 21st in yards allowed, 14th in points allowed
2011: 26th in yards allowed, 24th in points allowed
2010: 25th in yards allowed, 12th in points allowed

Statistically they were better this year. Marginally so.

Easy 6 01-04-2013 06:30 PM
Good for them, i really hope it works out, just like us... they're a fanbase that truly deserves something to get excited about.

htismaqe 01-04-2013 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9282166)
Well, IMO, if he's gonna start with running it by going with McCoy, that'd be strike 1 in my book.
Exactly.

htismaqe 01-04-2013 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9282162)
You're assuming he's going to sell out for a pure college spread. Pittsburgh is a good example of a team built around a more NFL-oriented spread, and they didn't have too much problem adapting to Haley's new offense.

Again... if he runs a stubbornly college-oriented spread, I think Cleveland is doomed. But I'm intrigued by Kelly because I'm very curious to see what scheme he runs, and very possibly it's something nobody was expecting.
Bottom line is that they're essentially banking that:

1) hiring a college coach that runs a VERY unconventional offense is going to work even though pretty much every previous attempt has failed and

2) he can overcome #1 in Cleveland, where NOBODY has had much success.

I don't like the odds.

O.city 01-04-2013 06:34 PM
Again, I'm all about hiring a coach based on what he does. Wanting him to do what he's DONE, not hoping that he changes it.

htismaqe 01-04-2013 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9282201)
Again, I'm all about hiring a coach based on what he does. Wanting him to do what he's DONE, not hoping that he changes it.
Very good point.

chiefzilla1501 01-04-2013 06:40 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 9282164)
Some are confusing up tempo with the spread. THe Pats use some parts of the spread in teh passing game.


Kelly's passing game is set up by their great running game.
No, I'm not confusing the two. I'm talking about up tempo because that's a system, not a scheme, and it's a concept that's being used a lot in no huddle. And typically, in a hurry up offense, you'll move to a more shotgun-oriented offense.

The Browns are going to have a terrific running game. Trent Richardson is legit and they have a good blocking o-line in front of him. And hell, may even get to bring LaGarette Blount as a RB tandem. To your other point... Weeden could be a good QB to run a more spread oriented offense.

Rasputin 01-04-2013 06:41 PM
My guess is that Lovie Smith is going go to Buffalo. Todd Haley back in Arizona. Who is going be coach for the Dolts? They still got to find a GM.

chiefzilla1501 01-04-2013 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9282195)
Bottom line is that they're essentially banking that:

1) hiring a college coach that runs a VERY unconventional offense is going to work even though pretty much every previous attempt has failed and

2) he can overcome #1 in Cleveland, where NOBODY has had much success.

I don't like the odds.
I'm banking on the idea that Kelly is a phenomenal coach (not the X's and O's, I'm talking about a pure coach). And that he's known to be a very bright mind and that his interviews suggest that he understands that college and NFL are two different games.

I think you're completely ruling out the possibility that he hires an innovative offensive coordinator with NFL experience. There's no guarantee that Kelly is going to run the same exact scheme as in Oregon. Just the feeling that he'll likely hire a coach familiar with a more spread design and that will have willingness to run up tempo.

htismaqe 01-04-2013 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 9282230)
There's no guarantee that Kelly is going to run the same exact scheme as in Oregon.
If he's not going to run that scheme, what's the allure?

Makes no sense.

You're essentially saying "I really love this thoroughbred, he's so fast. But I really need a plow horse, so I'm gonna strap a yoke on him and hope for the best."

chiefzilla1501 01-04-2013 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9282309)
If he's not going to run that scheme, what's the allure?

Makes no sense.
Because he is a phenomenal coach of players. His up tempo approach can easily mix in well with a QB and OC who like to run no huddle. And he's incredibly bright -- it's not like he can't run an NFL offense with spread orientation.

AGain, when I"m picking coaches, it's for how he can put a team together, not as much the X's and O's. The risk is in how stubborn he will be on scheme. My opinion is that he can pick a more spread-oriented OC who understands the NFL game. If he does that, this will be a really interesting pick to watch. But again... if he insists on playcalling control and/or on a college OC, then yeah, the Browns are doomed. I actually think Kelly is way too smart to do something like that.

Pasta Little Brioni 01-04-2013 07:15 PM
Can't wait to laugh at the Chargers and who they end up with. Hopefully Herm Jr. or Haley ROFL


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