I think the elephant in the room is the age of our core players.

Yeah, this team does have a lot of talent but it is no longer young. Our best players were drafted under ****ing Herm. Bowe, Albert, Charles, Flowers, DJ, Hali - They probably won't be here in 4 or 5 years.

Alex Smith is a "win now" move. I think Dorsey/Andy want to make a push before the core of this team is over the hill...

Where is the direct quote that he said exactly that?

When does a team not listen to a trade offer?...

Exactly. Give up three 1st rounders and you can pick damn near any player off any team.

As the old joke goes, "We've established what you are, now we are just bickering over a price."

Are you suggesting that Peter ***** had a sit down with John Dorsey last night and after that sit down, he decided to fabricate a story? The same rumored story that has been going around for months...

Im not buying that.

John Dorsey has said that even if they sign Albert, they could still take Joeckel snd play the best 5 linemen. After that, Albert reiterate that he wasn't willing to play anything but left tackle and then deleted his twitter account.

They are shopping Albert.

One of four things is happening here:

1) Alberts back truly is a concern
2) Albert wants more than market value
3) they see Joeckel as a full blown elite talent and are wanting to upgrade/save on the cap/add another first.
4) they want Albert to be able to negotiate with other teams so they can tell him what THEY think he's worth.

There is NO CHANCE that there is this much smoke without a fire burning.

and Alex Smith, the guy they just gave up a 2nd round pick aka a potential young player to build around, is older than ALL the core talent players on this team except DJ

so as long as 30 year old Alex Smith is here, all the aging core players will be.

When they don't want to trade the player.

He's also a QB.

He's not a speed rusher or CB. He's not a HB that's been run into the dirt the past two years.

30+ is not kind to WR's, CB's, and HB's...

They still listen...

Uggh....what?

I bet you if John Elway got a call from a team who wanted to make an offer on Peyton Manning.....he'd listen to it. He might laugh after they tell him what they're offering....but he'd listen to it.

If that were true, Nick Foles would be a Chief instead of Chase Daniels.

Would be amazing if we could trade Albert for Miami's 1st round pick.

They are in full win now mode and Jeff Ireland knows his job is on the line this year.

They don't have time to develop rookies and they have 2 second rd picks. It makes sense.

Listen doesn't mean you do it.

You listen.

no a 30 year old QB is worse because at 30 he is what he is with no ability to reach any potential and is set and capped at his ceiling.

Brandon Flowers can play well into his 30s. Alex Smith will be throwing for 170 yards in his 30s. Big difference

I'm not arguing value here. Smith is a pos. Did not want. I don't think there is any chance this works out.

This does not change human biology. HB's do not last long in the NFL. Flowers does not have top end speed to begin with.

Teams start to part ways with players 30+. QB is the one position you can play old and be effective.