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Eleazar 12-16-2013 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 10284044)
And I presume everyone's calling BS on that since game experience is more valuable to the growth of a young QB?

Most people feel like he rushed back from the knee injury and never fully recovered. Shanahan says he shut him down for the year for that reason.

TimBone 12-16-2013 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 10284044)
And I presume everyone's calling BS on that since game experience is more valuable to the growth of a young QB?

Yes, I've heard lots of talk that three regular season games are more important to his growth than an offseason, and I tend to agree.

wink91wink 12-16-2013 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 10284051)
That's not true.

I live near DC, watched him every week of last year. He ran the read-option, and most of his passing yardage came off of screens and slants. Only Christian Ponder threw the ball downfield 20 yards or more less than RG3 last season. I don't remember the exact number of his receivers YAC, but his YPA were so inflated last year. The guy is good with his mobility, but he is not without it. Matt McGloin did a better job moving the ball than RG3 did against us. That should say something.

rockachalk 12-16-2013 01:29 PM

Manning and Brady are two of the greatest to ever play the game...why would they at all be comparable to a second year guy who has regressed from his first year? And he intersects A. Luck into this??? Luck and the Colts are 9-5 and playoff bound...The only racial element is with people like Irvin who would rather side track from the real problem. The red skins suck.

Rain Man 12-16-2013 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by wink91wink (Post 10284048)
Well a story broke last week that Shannahan almost quit last year before the playoffs because he didn't like the special treatment Dan Snyder was giving to RG3. So people are kind of viewing it as an authority statement by Shannahan. At least that is how I have interpreted it.

Ah, interesting.

Marcellus 12-16-2013 01:32 PM

Well they were going to bench Geno too so it must be a black thing, it couldn't be a playing like shit thing.

BigCatDaddy 12-16-2013 01:33 PM

I think part of it is to showcase Cousins as well and try to recoup some of those picks they gave to the Rams.

Mile High Mania 12-16-2013 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Flybone McTimmerson (Post 10284036)
He was inactivated for poor performance. Any talk of it having to do with race is silly. Shanahan says its because he's worried about him getting hurt in the last few games and missing out on another full offseason. He says off seasons are valuable to the growth of a young QB.

That's the main part that makes him look silly... by that statement alone, they should have been running with Cousins from the beginning of training camp this year as the guy until RGIII was legitimately ready to go and play as near 100% as he could play.

Mile High Mania 12-16-2013 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10284073)
Well they were going to bench Geno too so it must be a black thing, it couldn't be a playing like shit thing.

Where's the uproar over the benching of Pryor in OAK?

Rausch 12-16-2013 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 10284077)
I think part of it is to showcase Cousins as well and try to recoup some of those picks they gave to the Rams.

There you go.

People wanting something to happen get what they want and they have a chance to pimp Cousins as worth a 2nd rounder.

Shanny has always been in love with trading players and their defense is ****ing horrible...

Marcellus 12-16-2013 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania (Post 10284079)
Where's the uproar over the benching of Pryor in OAK?

Oh yea, its a black thing for sure. Where is the outrage!

DJ's left nut 12-16-2013 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10283906)
No one said Cam was a me-first guy. They were saying he let his emotions get the best of him and was acting childish in media interviews.

No one has ever said RGIII was a me-first guy. Ever. Not even now.

He's just playing like $3it...

If that were the case I'd agree that Michael Irvin is full of shit.

It's not been the case. Many commentators and fans are making this oddly personal with RGIII. They are saying he's a me-first diva. Prior to his struggles he was seen as a great teammate and a team-first guy. The moment he started to struggle, people suddenly started calling him a prima-donna.

I don't think he's changed as a person. He was considered a warrior and a leader when he was playing well. Suddenly his character's being called into question when he's struggling.

It's strange and it's not something you see happen in the media for most guys. When Cassel was awful, people weren't calling him an entitled shitheel. That's what people are doing with RGIII and I don't think it's even remotely fair; that's not been who he's been as a person or player throughout his college career and it isn't who he was last year when he was playing well.

Again - the root cause is that he's playing like shit, but lots of guys play like shit without having attacks on their character. I think the media has largely taken an oddly venomous approach to RGIII this season and I think it's definitely fair to question why.

fan4ever 12-16-2013 01:39 PM

Irvin has a future as the next Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton once an opening is available.

If RGIII is under any special scrutiny, by the media or anyone else, it might be because they crapped themselves over how great this guy was going to be.

BigCatDaddy 12-16-2013 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10284084)
There you go.

People wanting something to happen get what they want and they have a chance to pimp Cousins as worth a 2nd rounder.

Shanny has always been in love with trading players and their defense is ****ing horrible...

Based on the Schaub and Alex trades I think he'll bring back 2 2nds.

The Franchise 12-16-2013 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 10284087)
If that were the case I'd agree that Michael Irvin is full of shit.

It's not been the case. Many commentators and fans are making this oddly personal with RGIII. They are saying he's a me-first diva. Prior to his struggles he was seen as a great teammate and a team-first guy. The moment he started to struggle, people suddenly started calling him a prima-donna.

I don't think he's changed as a person. He was considered a warrior and a leader when he was playing well. Suddenly his character's being called into question when he's struggling.

It's strange and it's not something you see happen in the media for most guys. When Cassel was awful, people weren't calling him an entitled shitheel. That's what people are doing with RGIII and I don't think it's even remotely fair; that's not been who he's been as a person or player throughout his college career and it isn't who he was last year when he was playing well.

Again - the root cause is that he's playing like shit, but lots of guys play like shit without having attacks on their character. I think the media has largely taken an oddly venomous approach to RGIII this season and I think it's definitely fair to question why.

This.


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